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Hauler

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If covid was allowed to run it's course through the global population we were looki g at casualties in the 350mil range.
Based on what?

Most people who got it were told to stay home for 10 days and it will pass. No treatment. No drugs.

You have like a 98% of survival even if you get it - and most of those that died had pre-existing conditions.

China built a shitty bio-weapon.
I'm sure they scrapped this one and went back to the drawing board.
 
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Based on what?

Most people who got it were told to stay home for 10 days and it will pass. No treatment. No drugs.

You have like a 98% of survival even if you get it - and most of those that died had pre-existing conditions.

China built a shitty bio-weapon.
I'm sure they scrapped this one and went back to the drawing board.
Stop being mean to China!
 

kaladin stormblessed

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If covid was allowed to run it's course through the global population we were looki g at casualties in the 350mil range.
my uncle was one of the first to succumb to it back in early 2020 :(

way too many people lost. i wish america was as progressive as other advanced nations in terms of our response because there are going to be so many more homeless people within the year :(
 
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Like a 400 lb fat fuck with diabetes has a heartattack and dies. During admittance into hospital they find he has Covid. How is that getting counted? Covid didn't kill that dude. Eating a pound of Oreos every day of his life killed him
If covid caused his heart attack as it regularly does in severe cases, then I find this a very faulty logic.
Somebody's lack of physiologic reserve allowing them to absorb the insult of a pathogen does not mean that pathogen was no longer the cause of death.
His covid diagnosis would only be inconsequential If it did not elicit the myocardial infarction. But you can't simply make a blanket statement that because somebody is obese and diabetic and covid didn't kill them, just because you don't understand all the ways that covid stresses the body.

2 years ago one of my patients developed influenza and associated viral pneumonia. Probably didn't have the healthiest life. No formal diagnosis what was a guy in his 50s with mild hypoxia and who is on and off again tachycardic due to both his oxygen and fever response. During one tachycardic run he developed subternal chest pain which is found to be an ST elevation MI and was brought to the Cath lab. He unfortunately died.

He obviously did not have the best cardiovascular health. But also his death is obviously a direct cause I have his influenza infection. This should not be discounted.


Your argument could literally be used to remove almost every disease except trauma as a cause of death. And that would be really inaccurate for describing what led to that person's passing.
 
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Don't know the exact number.
18 and over? I'd guess 30%.

That's about right for the ages of 65 and under.
Conservatively it's estimated to be 75% for those 65 and older.

In aggregate that's about half of all adults.

You're about as likely to have a pre-existing condition as not have one.

It makes no sense to keep excusing covid deaths as only happening to those with pre-existing conditions when such people make up an equal share of the population.
 
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If covid caused his heart attack as it regularly does in severe cases, then I find this a very faulty logic.
Somebody's lack of physiologic reserve allowing them to absorb the insult of a pathogen does not mean that pathogen was no longer the cause of death.
His covid diagnosis would only be inconsequential If it did not elicit the myocardial infarction. But you can't simply make a blanket statement that because somebody is obese and diabetic and covid didn't kill them, just because you don't understand all the ways that covid stresses the body.

2 years ago one of my patients developed influenza and associated viral pneumonia. Probably didn't have the healthiest life. No formal diagnosis what was a guy in his 50s with mild hypoxia and who is on and off again tachycardic due to both his oxygen and fever response. During one tachycardic run he developed subternal chest pain which is found to be an ST elevation MI and was brought to the Cath lab. He unfortunately died.

He obviously did not have the best cardiovascular health. But also his death is obviously a direct cause I have his influenza infection. This should not be discounted.


Your argument could literally be used to remove almost every disease except trauma as a cause of death. And that would be really inaccurate for describing what led to that person's passing.
This post brought to you by Pfizer.

shill!!
 

Hauler

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If covid caused his heart attack as it regularly does in severe cases, then I find this a very faulty logic.
Somebody's lack of physiologic reserve allowing them to absorb the insult of a pathogen does not mean that pathogen was no longer the cause of death.
His covid diagnosis would only be inconsequential If it did not elicit the myocardial infarction. But you can't simply make a blanket statement that because somebody is obese and diabetic and covid didn't kill them, just because you don't understand all the ways that covid stresses the body.

2 years ago one of my patients developed influenza and associated viral pneumonia. Probably didn't have the healthiest life. No formal diagnosis what was a guy in his 50s with mild hypoxia and who is on and off again tachycardic due to both his oxygen and fever response. During one tachycardic run he developed subternal chest pain which is found to be an ST elevation MI and was brought to the Cath lab. He unfortunately died.

He obviously did not have the best cardiovascular health. But also his death is obviously a direct cause I have his influenza infection. This should not be discounted.


Your argument could literally be used to remove almost every disease except trauma as a cause of death. And that would be really inaccurate for describing what led to that person's passing.
But if the person was knocking on death's door anyway, is scaring the fuck out of everyone really necessary?

  • If you're healthy - you're risk is virtually zero.
  • If you're moderately healthy - probably fine, but maybe take the hint to get in better shape.
  • If you aren't healthy at all - nature has a tendency to thin the herd and you were probably gonna check out before too long anyway. Those are the people who should have been quarantined.

There was an opportunity to educate the masses on why good health is important. I didn't hear that being preached.

And right from the jump, the guidance from our leaders was bullshit. Remember "14 days to stop the spread"? LMAO.
 
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But if the person was knocking on death's door anyway, is scaring the fuck out of everyone really necessary?
No but neither is discounting the threat that exists to a 100 million Americans with things that imply the disease that killed somebody didn't actually kill them.




  • If you're healthy - you're risk is virtually zero.
  • If you're moderately healthy - probably fine, but maybe take the hint to get in better shape.

You don't have to guess. With very minimal comorbitidies (of which 10s of million people suffer) The threat of Corona virus infection is a significantly higher risk of death than their day-to-day activity and any other pathogen they encountered in their life.



There was an opportunity to educate the masses on why good health is important. I didn't hear that being preached.

Sure that's a good thing to do. It's a long-term play but not a short-term play. It's also been a mystery that you can't solve very easily.
100 million American adults aren't fat because they're lazy or don't want to lose weight.


And right from the jump, the guidance from our leaders was bullshit. Remember "14 days to stop the spread"? LMAO.
I'm not really sure what this has to do with the excusing of people with medical problems dying from covid as just nature taking it's course.

With minimal data and no tools, telling people to flatten the curve through isolation was a reasonable strategy to consider early on. But don't drag me into the waters on trying to defend the pros and cons of lockdown.
 

Hauler

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No but neither is discounting the threat that exists to a 100 million Americans with things that imply the disease that killed somebody didn't actually kill them.
That's fair.