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[Deleted member 1]

It's because they eat/drink garbage and aren't active enough.

That's the main reason they got there but only a partial reason they stay there.
And it isn't a solution for a pandemic ad campaign since death itself, societal shaming, etc are not large enough motivators for the last century.

It is incredibly complex to get lasting weight loss in the long-term overweight and obese. It's very different than if you gained twenty pounds and then wanted to lose it one year later.

 

[Hauler]

That's the main reason they got there but only a partial reason they stay there.
And it isn't a solution for a pandemic ad campaign since death itself, societal shaming, etc are not large enough motivators for the last century.

It is incredibly complex to get lasting weight loss in the long-term overweight and obese. It's very different than if you gained twenty pounds and then wanted to lose it one year later.

Agree to disagree.
It was a missed opportunity.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

100 million American adults aren't fat because they're lazy or don't want to lose weight.

The cheap shit food doesn't help, but you've definitely hit on a big part of it. Walking and jogging are pretty inexpensive.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

Agree to disagree.
It was a missed opportunity.

We can shut down businesses, lock people in their houses and print money for public health, but for some reason we can't incentivize people to be healthy to begin with.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Agree to disagree.
It was a missed opportunity.

To be clear of my position, from another thread:

Get vaccinated (short term play), improve your health if you haven't already been working on it. (longterm play)

Ignoring that weight loss in the obese is not the same thing as weight loss in the mildly overweight, and that there are multiple tangible barriers to many people having a lifestyle that promotes healthy weight...


You're going to have to explain to me how "covid is more likely to kill you because of your obesity" is a better motivator than 50+ years of "your obesity itself is going to kill you".

 

[member 1013]

Your people taught me the art of subterfuge

We are a disarming and shifty people

 

[Hauler]

You're going to have to explain to me how "covid is more likely to kill you because of your obesity" is a better motivator than 50+ years of "your obesity itself is going to kill you".

Maybe a simple "Told ya so"
2 reasons is better than 1.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

We are a disarming and shifty people

The greatest tag team the world never got to see.

 

[Deleted member 1]

The cheap shit food doesn't help, but you've definitely hit on a big part of it. Walking and jogging are pretty inexpensive.

The cheap shit food is the great majority of it.

You can always out eat your workout.
2 mile run and I burn less than 200 calories. I can undo that in 4 Oreos inside of 10 seconds.

The limiting factor is the diet. The problem is that if you simply reduce a few hundred calories in the obese their body will spend a few hundred calories less. They will lose no weight but they will feel like shit And their hunger and satiety hormones will work to get them to eat. If they fight this long enough (which nearly no one does without medical intervention or supplementation) they will eventually lose a minimal amount of weight and then stall out very rapidly. If they return to eating like they did before they will not just regain the weight but rather regain the weight and more. Attempting and failing weight loss regularly leads to increased weight gain not a return to the previous set point.


The solution to obese weight loss is hormonal. And while shifting diet to whole foods and dumping all the processed crap, especially sugar, absolutely improves that hormonal profile, it isnt the only intervention required in the obese.

The only public obesity campaign that would have been effective in the pandemic is the same one that would have been effective at any other time in our entire lives. Mostly that's to subsidize the right foods and penalize the wrong ones. It would require things that are anathema to American society.
And to subsidize access to guided wt loss clinics or the equivalent.

Or you can push an Obamacare plan that requires all insurance companies to cover gastric surgery free of charge...kidding. sort of.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The cheap shit food is the great majority of it.

You can always out eat your workout.
2 mile run and I burn less than 200 calories. I can undo that in 4 Oreos inside of 10 seconds.

You don't have to eat 12 waffles in a day to impress your idiot friends.

The limiting factor is the diet.

Although I recognize that shit food generally costs less than healthy food, no one is putting a gun to my head when I put a case of coke and a Reese's Outrageous bar in my shopping cart. I look at it, know I shouldn't, and do it anyways. If you want to talk about why this food makes us feel the way it does, I'm willing to have that conversation, but it's really disingenuous to infantilize people as if they just can't possibly make a responsible decision for themselves. I've watched someone close to me lose 100 lbs over the last year through diet and exercise. It involved a lot of saying "No." which is something many just aren't willing to do.

Or you can push an Obamacare plan that requires all insurance companies to cover gastric surgery free of charge...kidding. sort of.

What in your opinion sounds more unrealistic. Your gastric surgery plan, or closing the world for 18 months? We're in the middle of something in the name of public health that would have been laughable in 2019, shit, it was laughable in February of 2020. If the last year and a half should have taught us anything it's that the word "unrealistic" means nothing.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Although I recognize that shit food generally costs less than healthy food, no one is putting a gun to my head when I put a case of coke and a Reese's Outrageous bar in my shopping cart. I look at it, know I shouldn't, and do it anyways. If you want to talk about why this food makes us feel the way it does, I'm willing to have that conversation, but it's really disingenuous to infantilize people as if they just can't possibly make a responsible decision for themselves

You're the one who added all of that.
I said none of that.
I said that the history and interventions show that nobody does it.

Telling everybody to go and eat the right way is the what. You have yet to tell the how.

What in your opinion sounds more unrealistic. Your gastric surgery plan, or closing the world for 18 months? We're in the middle of something in the name of public health that would have been laughable in 2019, shit, it was laughable in February of 2020. If the last year and a half should have taught us anything it's that the word "unrealistic" means nothing.

I didn't say the words unrealistic.
I said that the only things that work are making the right foods more affordable the wrong foods less affordable and guided dietary intervention.

And then I made a quip about weight loss surgery which is also very successful.

At no point did anybody say any of that is unrealistic. You continue to add these adjectives.

 

[Rambo John J]

I was eating a hawaiian style beef rib just now

chipped a front tooth




shit is razor sharp now lol

holy fuck

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

You're the one who added all of that.
I said none of that.
I said that the history and interventions show that nobody does it.

Telling everybody to go and eat the right way is the what. You have yet to tell the how.

I told you how. You just do it. It's really not that hard. People do it everyday. Right around the time society started acting as if it's rocket appliances, people stopped doing it. Fat activism and health cannot coexist.

I didn't say the words unrealistic.
I said that the only things that work are making the right foods more affordable the wrong foods less affordable and guided dietary intervention.

And then I made a quip about weight loss surgery which is also very successful.

At no point did anybody say any of that is unrealistic. You continue to add these adjectives.

You certainly made it seem as though you feel it's unrealistic. You've spent many posts telling @Hauler "Well, yeah it'd be nice, but we've been trying to 50 years and it hasn't worked." I'm pointing out that your ideas of making the right foods more affordable and upping guided dietary interventions is very feasible when you look at the solutions under the lens of what we've done in the last year.

It's also possible, I'm speaking Biden-ese. I'm very tired.

 

[kaladin stormblessed]

I was eating a hawaiian style beef rib just now

chipped a front tooth




shit is razor sharp now lol

holy fuck

sorry to hear

side note tho. do you look like a sexy vampire now??

 

[Rambo John J]

sorry to hear

side note tho. do you look like a sexy vampire now??

Yes
Male version though

My bite is end to end so that is always gonna wear out faster, got a tiny rib bone chip lodged in my upper groove(where my lower front teeth make contact when jaw is closed) and it busted off a shard of tooth when I chewed on dat rib meat.

The lady already sanded/smoothed it off proper(don't worry, she has been in dentistry for 30+ years so it wasn't a hack job)

Oops

 

[Zeph]

Based on what?

Most people who got it were told to stay home for 10 days and it will pass. No treatment. No drugs.

You have like a 98% of survival even if you get it - and most of those that died had pre-existing conditions.

China built a shitty bio-weapon.
I'm sure they scrapped this one and went back to the drawing board.

Once the hospital systems of the world are overwhelmed then the death rate would quickly jump to 5%.

 

[Hauler]

I said that the only things that work are making the right foods more affordable the wrong foods less affordable

Haha. That would go over well.
That might be interpreted as targetting the poors to get more of their ?.

 

[Hauler]

Once the hospital systems of the world are overwhelmed then the death rate would quickly jump to 5%.

At least your math is somewhat accurate even if your logic is failed. I give you a C+.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Haha. That would go over well.
That might be interpreted as targetting the poors to get more of their ?.

Like I said many of the things that would be effective are anathema to American society.

We have a hard time publicly getting something subsidized even If people enjoy the results of that subsidizing later. We have a visceral response at the potential taxing of anything outside of sin taxes. And we haven't quite figured out That the sugar is killing you like cigarettes.

 

[Hauler]

Like I said many of the things that would be effective are anathema to American society.

We have a hard time publicly getting something subsidized even If people enjoy the results of that subsidizing later. We have a visceral response at the potential taxing of anything outside of sin taxes. And we haven't quite figured out That the sugar is killing you like cigarettes.

Michelle Obama got shit on for trying to put healthier food in the schools.

 

[Deleted member 1]

Michelle Obama got shit on for trying to put healthier food in the schools.

She chose the worst tasting foods possible lol

I think her attempt at health was admirable. There's really no reason we should be feeding our children chocolate milks at lunch. I suspect the end result was tight budgets trying to meet the guidelines.

But those struggle plates were pretty gross looking.

 

[Qat]

Like I said many of the things that would be effective are anathema to American society.

We have a hard time publicly getting something subsidized even If people enjoy the results of that subsidizing later. We have a visceral response at the potential taxing of anything outside of sin taxes. And we haven't quite figured out That the sugar is killing you like cigarettes.

Everyone with that new Trump card should get free soy blocks.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Biden wears tan suit almost exactly 7 years after right-wing media made Obama wearing one into a scandal

Biden wears tan suit almost exactly 7 years after right-wing media made Obama wearing one into a scandal

When Obama wore a tan suit in 2014 a Republican congressman said it sent the wrong message to ISIS, and a Fox Business host called it "shocking."

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• Biden wore a tan suit almost seven years after conservatives criticized Obama for wearing one.
• A Republican congressman at the time said Obama's suit sent the wrong message to ISIS.
• And the Fox Business host Lou Dobbs called the suit "shocking."
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[BeardOfKnowledge]

There's really no reason we should be feeding our children chocolate milks at lunch.

It's delicious.

 

[Freeloading Rusty]

Records Show Defendant in ‘Ghost' Candidate Case Worked for Powerful GOP Operative

Records Show Defendant in ‘Ghost' Candidate Case Worked for Powerful GOP Operative

A former lawmaker accused of violating election law was working for a powerful Republican political operative, according to court records released before the case goes to trial. Prosecutors in the Miami-Dade State Attorney’s Office accuse former Republican state senator Frank Artiles of...

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Records show Frank Artiles had an exclusive political contract with Data Targeting, Inc., whose owner is a powerful Republican political operative based in Gainesville