General Corona virus updates

[Deleted member 1]

The only thing that has remained constant during this entire ordeal is the government's ineptitude in handling it.

The messenging is atrocious.
But that doesn't change that data changed and that's why masks were gone and now back as a tool.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

But if you don't at least see similarities to missing data and context you criticize in the other post then you are intellectually dishonest.

Intellectually dishonest?

What, a guy who posts about basically nothing but fringe conspiracy shit, and who routinely links us to the Gateway Pundit, Zero Hedge et al?

But surely you jest!

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[Hauler]

This is a poor analogy for reasons I can't begin to fully type.

True.

A hardhat could actually protect you should something fall from the sky, while a mask on an asymptomatic vaxxed individual is like Linus and his blanket.

 

[member 3289]

So your position is that all Abrahamic religions recognize his existence as a conspiracy to control their relative masses?

When I was 13, my youth pastor told us if we jerked off after saying our nightly prayers that we wouldn't get into heaven.

So I stopped praying.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

The messenging is atrocious.
But that doesn't change that data changed and that's why masks were gone and now back as a tool.

Isn't it strange that since the entire global scientific community didn't instantly leap to a unanimous consensus about this never-before-seen disease 16 months ago...... that means they're all incompetent /liars/part of a global conspiracy?

As if something like covid-19 and its variants (and the appropriate medical/social/political response to it) is simple shit that anyone can figure out and understand by looking at just a half dozen Facebook memes.

Yeah.......... it's not like that. This is a huge and incredibly complex and fast-evolving situation.

But it's easy to just scream "Fauci's a liar!" or "Bill Gates is using the vaccine for global population control!" or "Soros is a Jew!" instead, I guess.

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[Hauler]

The messenging is atrocious.
But that doesn't change that data changed and that's why masks were gone and now back as a tool.

But I don't trust the data. Or the people communicating it.


View: https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/08/11/1026190062/covid-delta-variant-transmission-cdc-chickenpox

 

[Wintermute]

Headed for a face-off between school districts and red state governments pretty soon.

It will be interesting in places like Florida where huge districts like Broward are voting to mandate masks for students. DeSantis' admin is threatening to dock their pay, then what happens? We go from in-school learning with masks, to teachers striking and kids forced to be back home with parents who may or may not be masking, and may or may not have to report to their office or place of work again. Florida's economy will grind to a halt, medical staff start to strike too (and who would blame them at this point).

When the media starts running with photos of little kids on ventilators shit is going to REALLY real.

 

[IschKabibble]

When I was 13, my youth pastor told us if we jerked off after saying our nightly prayers that we wouldn't get into heaven.

So I stopped praying.

Didn't bother to try JO first?

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

When I was 13, my youth pastor told us if we jerked off after saying our nightly prayers that we wouldn't get into heaven.

So I stopped praying.

When I was about that age, a priest told me that God was offended that I'm lefthanded.

So I stopped being a Christian, basically on the spot. I was already pretty much half-assing it by that point anyway, to be honest.

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[Deleted member 1]

True.

A hardhat could actually protect you should something fall from the sky, while a mask on an asymptomatic vaxxed individual is like Linus and his blanket.

Even @sparkuri is aware of the risk that vaccinated people carry an increased amount of nasal viral load with the Delta variant over the original.

 

[member 1013]

Even @sparkuri is aware of the risk that vaccinated people carry an increased amount of nasal viral load with the Delta variant over the original.

What are you implying?!?

 

[Deleted member 1]

What are you implying?!?

I'm implying that everyone but @Hauler is aware that vaccinated individuals may transmit delta variant despite symptoms or vaccination status.

And due to this increased possibility, masks are suggested by many as an intervention for it until there is further data stratifying that risk and/or hospital overruns quit happening.

 

[Qat]

Intellectually dishonest?

What, a guy who posts about basically nothing but fringe conspiracy shit, and who routinely links us to the Gateway Pundit, Zero Hedge et al?

But surely you jest!

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Agreed, sometimes I do try to engage posters like him in serious and honest conversations about some of those topics, but to my disappointment every single time they prove to not be able to do the same.

 

[member 3289]

Headed for a face-off between school districts and red state governments pretty soon.

It will be interesting in places like Florida where huge districts like Broward are voting to mandate masks for students. DeSantis' admin is threatening to dock their pay, then what happens? We go from in-school learning with masks, to teachers striking and kids forced to be back home with parents who may or may not be masking, and may or may not have to report to their office or place of work again. Florida's economy will grind to a halt, medical staff start to strike too (and who would blame them at this point).

When the media starts running with photos of little kids on ventilators shit is going to REALLY real.

One Broward school board member said "bring it on" to DeSantis's withholding paycheck threat.

Broward has the Biden admin on its side so it's digging its heels in preparation for a showdown with the gubna.

 

[Deleted member 1]

One Broward school board member said "bring it on" to DeSantis's withholding paycheck threat.

Broward has the Biden admin on its side so it's digging its heels in preparation for a showdown with the gubna.

In Texas school boards sued and won an initial case against banning masks.
It was a little ironic because the same day our governor was calling for out-of-state assistance because we are short on staff and hospital beds.

 

[member 3289]

In Texas school boards sued and won an initial case against banning masks.
It was a little ironic because the same day our governor was calling for out-of-state assistance because we are short on staff and hospital beds.

How long until Abbott and DeSantis are forced to make an about-face like the Arkansas governor?

 

[Hauler]

I'm implying that everyone but @

@Hauler is aware that vaccinated individuals may transmit delta variant despite symptoms or vaccination status

My argument is for asymptomatic folks who are vaxxed.

If I get the sniffles or a cough, I'm quarantining at home until I don't.

 

[Hauler]

our governor was calling for out-of-state assistance because we are short on staff and hospital beds

And electric
And insulated houses

 

[MMAHAWK]

One Broward school board member said "bring it on" to DeSantis's withholding paycheck threat.

Broward has the Biden admin on its side so it's digging its heels in preparation for a showdown with the gubna.

Nobody protects their students like Broward county does.
Waiting for the story of security hiding in a closet when a 3rd grader coughs.

 

[John Lee Pettimore]

Agreed, sometimes I do try to engage posters like him in serious and honest conversations about some of those topics, but to my disappointment every single time they prove to not be able to do the same.

Yeah, it's the sheer arrogance that I can't stand. People who couldn't tell you who oversaw the team that developed the polio vaccine, but they somehow know the field better than the people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying and researching virology.

I mean, I know fuck all about virology, because you have to study that shit for 5 years and spend hundreds of hours in labs just to have a basic understanding of it. Guys like sparkuri can cut and paste bits of terminology together, but do you think he understands the subject? Could he give a ten minute presentation off the top of his head about how covid works and how the vaccines work and how they were developed, and then take questions at the end? Absolutely not - no more than I could.

So where does he get the sheer arrogance to carry on like he could go on a talkshow and go toe to toe with people who have doctorates in virology and who have spent decades in labs studying how this all works? It's just........ this sheer contempt for expertise, experience and specialist knowledge is so fucking disheartening.

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[Deleted member 1]

My argument is for asymptomatic folks who are vaxxed.

So the vaccines were initially only study to prevent illness in the vaccinated.
That has really good data. It continues to do so.

A secondary question was if your vaccinated could you still replicate virus particularly in your nose, that uses some different initial antibodies, and then transmit it to the unvaccinated.
Throughout the spring there became developing data in that particularly showed decrease viral loads in the nose of those that are vaccinated. Due to this and probably also due to some social pressures, mask were removed if you're vaccinated.
For all the reasons you're imagining and suggesting here.


As the Delta variant became the predominant strain, We saw an increased amount of transmissibility. There was an outbreak in the Northeast and they found that vaccinated individuals had unexpectedly high viral load and that there's reason to believe that the vaccinated individuals contributed to the actual outbreak by transmitting virus to unvaccinated individuals.

That's what made masks come back.

There are a couple of other studies in England That suggest this is not generally true in that in fact being vaccinated may continue to significantly reduce transmissibility and vaccinated individuals even with the Delta variant.

We don't know.
We do know that we have massive hospital overruns happening across the country right now.
So masks are a cheap intervention.

 

[Deleted member 1]

And electric
And insulated houses

 

[MMAHAWK]

Yeah, it's the sheer arrogance that I can't stand. People who couldn't tell you who oversaw the team that developed the polio vaccine, but they somehow know the field better than the people who have dedicated their entire lives to studying and researching virology.

I mean, I know fuck all about virology, because you have to study that shit for 5 years and spend hundreds of hours in labs just to have a basic understanding of it. Guys like sparkuri can cut and paste bits of terminology together, but do you think he understands the subject? Could he give a ten minute presentation off the top of his head about how covid works and how the vaccines work and how they were developed, and then take questions at the end? Absolutely not - no more than I could.

So where does he get the sheer arrogance to carry on like he could go on a talkshow and go toe to toe with people who have doctorates in virology and who have spent decades in labs studying how this all works? It's just........ this sheer contempt for expertise, experience and specialist knowledge is so fucking disheartening.

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Almost as arrogant as telling someone that’s lived in California for 42 years what it’s really like to live there.

 

[Hauler]

So the vaccines were initially only study to prevent illness in the vaccinated.
That has really good data. It continues to do so.

A secondary question was if your vaccinated could you still replicate virus particularly in your nose, that uses some different initial antibodies, and then transmit it to the unvaccinated.
Throughout the spring there became developing data in that particularly showed decrease viral loads in the nose of those that are vaccinated. Due to this and probably also due to some social pressures, mask were removed if you're vaccinated.
For all the reasons you're imagining and suggesting here.


As the Delta variant became the predominant strain, We saw an increased amount of transmissibility. There was an outbreak in the Northeast and they found that vaccinated individuals had unexpectedly high viral load and that there's reason to believe that the vaccinated individuals contributed to the actual outbreak by transmitting virus to unvaccinated individuals.

That's what made masks come back.

There are a couple of other studies in England That suggest this is not generally true in that in fact being vaccinated may continue to significantly reduce transmissibility and vaccinated individuals even with the Delta variant.

We don't know.
We do know that we have massive hospital overruns happening across the country right now.
So masks are a cheap intervention.

If you are asymptomatic does it matter what your viral load is?

You aren't coughing and sneezing your germs all over the place.

 

[Deleted member 1]

If you are asymptomatic does it matter what your viral load is?

Yes. While viral load isnt everything and is not a patient centered result, it suggests a high likelihood of transmissibility.

Masks aren't to keep you well. It's to prevent spread to others....and we are running out of hospital beds.