I'm just messing about. I don't know who is. For a minute I thought you meant Pauly shore.
General So that didn't take long.... AFGHANISTAN
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It's the old libertarian who had the stroke while filming his webcast recently. Not his toupee wearing senator son..
And yeah I know you're just fucking around Song. I don't know this Trump 24 guy, but I suspect he is too. Probably laughing his ass off right now.
What time is it in America? Are you all awake yet? I can make the thread live if it's gonna be busy but I am under sanctions from Dr dipshit. So if I do it and nobody cares he will probably punish me somehow. Not in a gay way. But still.
Ahhhhh I remember the news where he had a stroke. Not good.
It didn't look good but the old boy is fine now.
He's a charlatan.
He voted for this war. Now he wants to apportion blame?
Nah. He doesn't get to do that in my eyes.
He's not even in office anymore lol. I don't think he ever voted for a war when was in congress either. He is notoriously non interventionist.
*actually he was in probably in congress 20 years ago but I doubt he voted for this thing.
No. No.
He did not vote for this war.
He voted for Authorization to use military force against the terrorists behind the sept 11th attacks. He voted no on the Iraq War Resolution the following year.
He said:
There really is nothing for us to win in Afghanistan. Our mission has morphed from apprehending those who attacked us, to apprehending those who threaten or dislike us for invading their country, to remaking an entire political system and even a culture ... This is an expensive, bloody, endless exercise in futility. Not everyone is willing to admit this just yet. But every second they spend in denial has real costs in lives and livelihoods ... Many of us can agree on one thing, however. Our military spending in general has grown way out of control.
That is kinda voting for the invasion though. I gotta hand it to ol' Trump 24. He got me
True.
But he did want a sunset clause.
ps Don't go any deeper. That's all I (and Wikipedia) have got.
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Alexander Mercouris said on his podcast that he heard from Russian sources that Ghani left Kabul with four cars stuffed with cash. There's more cash than people getting out of Kabul right now it seems...
And now of course I remember basically the entire congress voting to authorize the invasion of Afghanistan.
Old age strikes again.
Old age strikes again.
The time to go into Afghanistan was in 95 or 96
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@megatherium arent wrong really. He did vote yes the first time but did walk it back reasonably quickly after that.
- Ron Paul. Issue Position: National Defense. 25 May 2011. "I believe that as a nation, we should: Re-focus the efforts of our military and intelligence services on locating those individuals who planned the terrorist attacks on the U.S. and who remain at large. It must be made clear that the United States cannot be attacked with impunity. When I voted for the authorization to use force against those who attacked us in 2001, I did not imagine that we would be getting bogged down for years in a nation-building exercise in Afghanistan while the perpetrators remain at large. Efforts in that part of the world should be exclusively focused on apprehending those responsible for the attacks against the United States." (votesmart.org)
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@megatherium arent wrong really. He did vote yes the first time but did walk it back reasonably quickly after that.- Ron Paul. Hearing of The House Committee On Foreign Affairs – Afghanistan. 10 December 2009. “This 'surge' will bring US troop levels to approximately those of the Soviets when they occupied Afghanistan with disastrous result back in the 1980s. I fear the US military occupation of Afghanistan may end up similarly unsuccessful. Without a real strategy in Afghanistan, without a vision of what victory will look like, we are left with the empty rhetoric of the last administration that 'when the Afghan people stand up, the US will stand down.' I am afraid the only solution to the Afghanistan quagmire is a rapid and complete US withdrawal from that country and the region. We cannot afford to maintain this empire and our occupation of these foreign lands is not making us any safer. It is time to leave Afghanistan.” (votesmart.org)
- Ron Paul. Afghanistan War Powers Resolution. 17 March 2011. “We don't need to be occupying Afghanistan or any other country. We can't change Afghanistan. The people who are bragging about these changes, even if you could, you are not supposed to. You don't have the moral authority. You don't have the constitutional authority.” (votesmart.org)
if you havent heard of lord miles its worth looking in to . he has been stuck in kabul and live streamed it on facebook and twitch. he is just some british student who was traveling in afghanistan when it all went to shit. he bought one of those fake lordships and has a credit card with lord miles on it. it thru the durkas for a loop . the guy kind of shit posted his way out of afghanistan
who remembers this high energy dynamo?
View: https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1427394730887811074
View: https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1427394730887811074
The 'whistleblower' wasn't dumped on because he was wrong about the conflict, but because was right about it and degraded himself to participate in it anyway.These people think you are fools.
So the media is to blame for the invasion of Afghanistan? You guys are brainwashed like a North Korean.
The media I remember wasn't in favour of war. The media I remember reported on the corrupt Haliburton, the corrupt Afghan government. There were films documenting the corruption and evil of Cheney. The incompetence of Bush.
I seen to remember the birth place of Obama was the lead story in those days for the right.
When the Afghan papers were released and whole clusterfuck was reported on it barely made a ripple, books after books were written highlighting the inevitable defeat and sheer insanity of this war.
The lies propagated by the governments of both sides, red and blue WERE reported on. But no one cared. Even our own@Former Maycee Barber Fan was quick to dump on a veteran of the conflict who blew the whistle for the last decade.
A lot of people, a lot of corrupt people made a lot of money from the misery of the average Afghani. At least half were corrupt Americans.
But yeah.
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Lets arm the locals to fight our enemies and then when the locals rise up against our interest and attack us, lets crush them, only to make a deal with them because there's a worse enemy in the area.
How tf is this such a repeat US foreign policy cycle?
We know its coming. We always do. We have completely fucked this up post WWII.
Too much special interests and short term thinking.
He served then whistle blew.
It was a natural progression of participating, learning, understanding then imparting.
Then getting dumped on.
Except that's not what happened.
He said did a combat tour AFTER he published articles saying how futile the war was. Hence he was just some sanctimonious, hypocritical mong that was no better than the people he criticized.
Anyway, I don't actually give a shit about some random cocksucker, nor your silly white knighting for some random cocksucker.