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Israel: 65.2% one dose, 60.2% fully vaccinated
Does the FDA think these data justify the first full approval of a covid-19 vaccine? - The BMJ
The FDA should demand adequate, controlled studies with long term follow up, and make data publicly available, before granting full approval to covid-19 vaccines, says Peter Doshi On 28 July [...]More...
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“slow down and get the science right—there is no legitimate reason to hurry to grant a license to a coronavirus vaccine.”
It was a set of hypothetical questions asked to
@Shinkicker under a specific context.
It seems like everybody who is actually in a position of responsibility is wrong pretty much at all times (and also evil)....... but your suggestions for alternative courses of action and what they should have been doing all along are...... shall we say........ non reality based?It was a set of hypothetical questions asked to
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Da fuq u say?
Anything I've suggested could be started today. Covid very clearly isn't going anywhere. We have officials both telling us "Covid is here to stay." while also using the same tools they started with 20 months ago.
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Personal Religious Exemption to Vaccine
I, Jon Jones, am a practicing -Church of Bodily Autonomy. I hereby assert my right to receive religious exemption to immunizations due to my genuine and sincere religious beliefs under Title VII of the Federal Civil Rights Law of 1964, section 12.
I generally do not share my personal faith information, but I am doing so now because I am required to.
I believe in the Bible, including the teachings of the New Testament. I am objecting to the Covid-19 vaccines because I believe in and follow God and the principles laid out in the Bible. I have a deeply held belief the that vaccines violate those principles.
I sincerely believe that all human beings are image bearers of God, and this concept affirms the unique value of all human life. I believe that abortion is gravely wrong at every stage (see Exodus 21:22, Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:12-16, and Judges 16:17) and is a violation of the Sixth Commandment which states “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13).
The Covid-19 vaccines use fetal cells that were obtained through abortion-derived cell lines in their development, confirmation, and/or production. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and Moderna vaccines were protein tested using the abortion-derived cell line HEK-293, and Johnson & Johnson used the cell line PER.CG to produce and manufacture the vaccine.
Participating in the Covid-19 vaccination program would require my indirect engagement and participation in abortion, which is morally compromising.
Furthermore, I believe that a physical body is given to each of us by our loving Heavenly Father. He created it as a tabernacle for our spirit to assist each of us in our quest to fulfill the measure of our creation. The New Testament teaches this important principle, as evidenced by “don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?” (1 Corinthians 3:16) and “If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple” (1 Corinthians 3:17).
The Covid-19 vaccines would alter my God given body and is the equivalent of a prohibited “unclean food”. I firmly believe that the Covid-19 vaccines are unclean. Any participation in the Covid-19 vaccination program poses a threat to my religious and moral obligations.
My request for accommodation is that I be granted an exemption from participating in the Covid-19 vaccination program and that I am granted the ability to participate normally in all my duties, responsibilities, activities, and events.
By signing below, I attest that the information above is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
-Jon Jones
I, Jon Jones, am a practicing -Church of Bodily Autonomy. I hereby assert my right to receive religious exemption to immunizations due to my genuine and sincere religious beliefs under Title VII of the Federal Civil Rights Law of 1964, section 12.
I generally do not share my personal faith information, but I am doing so now because I am required to.
I believe in the Bible, including the teachings of the New Testament. I am objecting to the Covid-19 vaccines because I believe in and follow God and the principles laid out in the Bible. I have a deeply held belief the that vaccines violate those principles.
I sincerely believe that all human beings are image bearers of God, and this concept affirms the unique value of all human life. I believe that abortion is gravely wrong at every stage (see Exodus 21:22, Jeremiah 1:5, Psalm 139:12-16, and Judges 16:17) and is a violation of the Sixth Commandment which states “You shall not murder” (Exodus 20:13).
The Covid-19 vaccines use fetal cells that were obtained through abortion-derived cell lines in their development, confirmation, and/or production. The Pfizer/BioNTech vaccine and Moderna vaccines were protein tested using the abortion-derived cell line HEK-293, and Johnson & Johnson used the cell line PER.CG to produce and manufacture the vaccine.
Participating in the Covid-19 vaccination program would require my indirect engagement and participation in abortion, which is morally compromising.
Furthermore, I believe that a physical body is given to each of us by our loving Heavenly Father. He created it as a tabernacle for our spirit to assist each of us in our quest to fulfill the measure of our creation. The New Testament teaches this important principle, as evidenced by “don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?” (1 Corinthians 3:16) and “If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple” (1 Corinthians 3:17).
The Covid-19 vaccines would alter my God given body and is the equivalent of a prohibited “unclean food”. I firmly believe that the Covid-19 vaccines are unclean. Any participation in the Covid-19 vaccination program poses a threat to my religious and moral obligations.
My request for accommodation is that I be granted an exemption from participating in the Covid-19 vaccination program and that I am granted the ability to participate normally in all my duties, responsibilities, activities, and events.
By signing below, I attest that the information above is true and accurate to the best of my knowledge.
-Jon Jones
But offering every science student a million dollars a year and a house, is not a serious solution.
If you're going to criticize and second-guess everything that everyone who actually is in a position of responsibility has said and done in the last 18 months, then surely the least you can do is offer an at least somewhat reality-based course of action, rather than a thought experiment with no practical application in the real world?
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Nobody with a brain/without an agenda counts the vaccination rate among adults only. It just obfuscates the real numbers.
As I already told you, those were questions asked to a specific member under a certain context.
If you want to know what I would do if I were in a position to make these decisions I'd simply utter 3 words to my advisory panel. "Whatever it takes."
So a 10?
"Whatever it takes" is not a plan.
What would you actually push for? Specifically?
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I've already been over that earlier in the thread multiple times.
You had to ignore the posts to pick out the one you're trying to "get me" with...
More training, expand facilities.
Okay.
Have you sat down and worked out the logistics for that? Do you have any experience or knowledge in medical training, or are we to simply assume that you'd be better at it than the people who actually had to face it for real?
"More training, expand facilities" sort of sounds like my plan to combat obesity being "get people to eat healthier and exercise more".
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Remember when you read a 13-page letter from the FDA to Pfizer and you still thought the Pfizer vaccine hadn't been fully approved?
That was an exceptional display of illiteracy, even for you.
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COVID shuts down Texas oil town 100 miles from nearest ICU beds
Iraan, a small oilfield town in west Texas, has seen nearly half of the town's 1,200 people affected by COVID-19, and the school has shut down.
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No. This is why I'd empower those who understand how to implement the necessary measures.
Let's look at New Zealand for example. You folks went back into lockdown last week due to a new case. The first question that should be asked is "Why is the population of New Zealand not vaccinated?" It's not due to a lack of available vaccines, so where's the bottle neck? It can't sit anywhere other than with the decision makers choosing not to acquire them.
Here we've alloted extra ICU beds and then refused the staff them. Again, it's a case of people in power not empowering those who should be acting.
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Maybe something at the hospital. For our clinic we have a combination of chemical and mechanical cleaning followed by autoclave.
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The Broward County School Board is using it to sterilize swabs used in covid-19 tests (which are only being done following parental consent).
It's one of the things the handful of conspiratard parents are upset about. Apparently some misinformation was spread on Instagram and TikTok.