IMG/GIF Let's Talk Canada's New Fighter Planes

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Zeph

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Why would someone believe the most active and experienced airforce in the world? Lunacy right?
 
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I wiped tears of liberty from my cheeks as I watch this video.
 
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Supporting Drones/Swarms. With the stealthy F-35s highly advanced sensors and fusion it can “hand off” it’s targeting data to “Swarms” of missile carrying drones, vastly increasing the combat power of the F-35s, or the drones could be the radar which if detected would only result in the loss of the drone, or alternatively the drones could be used as a decoy(or carry decoys) to draw out Radar systems for targeting. If the drones are relying upon targeting data from the F-35 they can be made with very little in the way of avionics and much cheaper and expendable. It’s important to note that the F-35 would not actually be flying the drones, the drones would be doing that autonomously, instead it would be commanding them, telling them what formation to fly and what to attack, similar to a Squad Leader.
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Stealth is defeated by Low Band Radar(UHF-VHF). It’s true that Low Band can “see” through stealth, at least to a much greater degree then higher bands, it see’s “through” the shaping but RAM can absorb VHF waves. The downside’s that Low Band is a highly inaccurate radio frequency, it can only locate a target within a kilometer’s accuracy, older systems can’t even determine altitude, this is not nearly enough for missile acquisition or accurate identification of the threat and is very susceptible to clutter and decoys, this means an aircraft still has be acquired by higher band radar(usually “cued” where to look by the UHF-VHF radar, allowing it to focus on a specific area). Other downsides is that Low Band require’s very large antennae to steer the radar beams and they require significant power, the result being that Low Band radar is limited to ground and naval systems. So while Low Band Radar does offer some counter to Stealth, namely early warning systems still being effective and vital, they have tremendous weaknesses that can easily be exploited and can not extend to Aerial systems with any potency. Furthermore the advancement of all Radar systems has made Stealth ‘sine qua non’ for Survivability.
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sparkuri said:
That was in response to Zeph's quote where I said "what I'm worried about".
I thought I'd clarify to Zeph my concerns, as a U.S. citizen....
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Oh so you don't care about Canada's security I see.

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“the ability to actually have that data fusion that the aeroplane has makes an incredible difference to how you perform in combat. I saw it first hand on a Red Flag mission in an F15D against a series of fifth-generation F22s. We were actually in the red air. In five engagements we never knew who had hit us and we never even saw the other aeroplane…. After that particular mission I went back and had a look at the tapes on the F22, and the difference in the situational awareness in our two cockpits was just so fundamentally different. That is the key to fifth-generation….the ability to be in a cockpit with a God’s-eye view of what is going on in the world was such an advantage over a fourth-generation fighter – and arguably one of the best fourth-generation fighters in existence, the F15. But even with a DRFM jamming pipe, we still had no chance in those particular engagements. And at no time did any of the performance characteristics that you are talking about have any relevance to those five engagements.” – Air Marshal Brown talking about an exchanged RAAF pilots experience.
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“Fusion is the fundamental delineator. And you’re not going to put fusion into a fourth gen airplane because their avionic suites are not set up to be a fused platform. And fusion changes how you use the platform. What I figured out is I would tell my Raptors, I don’t want a single airplane firing a single piece of ordinance until every other fourth-gen airplane is Winchester. Because the SA (situational awareness) right now that the fifth gen has is such a leveraging capability that I want my tactics set up to where my fourth gen expend their ordinance using the SA that the fifth gen provides, the fifth gen could then mop up, and then protect everybody coming in the next wave. It’s radically changing how we fight on the battlefield. We are fundamentally changing the tactical battlefield. How a tactical platform operates with the fusion of fifth gen. What the aviators do is fundamentally different in a fifth gen platform versus fourth gen in the tactical fight.” – General Hostage
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The more I read about the F35, the more I become convinced that Canada should stick with their F35 commitment.
 
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I think France juuuust pulled into the lead.



 
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The Rafale is a good plane, no doubt. The F35 is changing the way air forces think about their whole doctrine. I'm going to trust that the US, UK, Australian, Korean, Belgian, Dutch, Norwegian and Canadian air forces know what they are doing when they want the F35.
 
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Zeph said:
The Rafale is a good plane, no doubt. The F35 is changing the way air forces think about their whole doctrine. I'm going to trust that the US, UK, Australian, Belgium, Dutch, Norwegian and Canadian air forces know what they are doing when they want the F35.
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I think the RCAF was recommending to the previous Canadian government to open up a more competitive bidding process because they didn't like where the f35 was heading.

Could be wrong though.
 
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Lars said:
I think the RCAF was recommending to the previous Canadian government to open up a more competitive bidding process because they didn't like where the f35 was heading.

Could be wrong though.
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My understanding is the RCAF want the F35. There may have been concerns about spiraling costs at one point, however, Canada wouldn't be on the hook for them. If bought this year I think the fly away cost would be around 110mil, but if Canada waits till 2018-2020, it would be around $85mil per plane, fly away. The Rafale is around $85mil fly away as well, or the Rafale M is $100mil fly away. Eurofighter is $110mil flyaway.



Eventually, the F35 will be able to use the Meteor, as the UK will integrate it eventually. Plus, it will be compatible for future hypersonic missiles the US are working on. The Rafale is compatible with the Meteor, but France will have to acquire US permission to make their future munitions compatible with the Rafale. Which might be unlikely due to the French-Indian tech sharing deal for the Rafale.
 
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what do we need fighter jets for? its not like we have an armed forces that would actually be willing and able to do anything with them. at no point are our 5 fighter jets going to fight off russia or china . the government would roll over like a yellow dog before they even allowed the planes to take flight
 
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jason73 said:
what do we need fighter jets for? its not like we have an armed forces that would actually be willing and able to do anything with them. at no point are our 5 fighter jets going to fight off russia or china . the government would roll over like a yellow dog before they even allowed the planes to take flight
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You’re not wrong, at all.
 
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jason73 said:
what do we need fighter jets for? its not like we have an armed forces that would actually be willing and able to do anything with them. at no point are our 5 fighter jets going to fight off russia or china . the government would roll over like a yellow dog before they even allowed the planes to take flight
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If you wanna stay in NORAD then you'll buy the F-35s and you'll fucking like it!
 
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Seven Sailors Injured On Aircraft Carrier Carl Vinson - Seven sailors were reportedly injured today on the deck of the Nimitz-class aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson.

The seven sailors were injured when an F-35 jet had a 'landing mishap' on the deck of the aircraft carrier while deployed in the South China Sea.


Three sailors were medivacked off of the carrier and transported to Manila for treatment. They are currently in stable condition. Four others were treated onboard the carrier.

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F-35 Stealth Jet Crashed On US Carrier - An F-35C Stealth fighter jet crashed on the deck of the USS Carl Vinson on Monday while conducting routine flight operations in the South China Sea.

As reported earlier, seven sailors were injured in the crash, including the pilot who did a successful ejection out of the aircraft and was rescued by a military helicopter.
 
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