General Rittenhouse trial

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Greenbean

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Or is this like when someone with an iPhone sends me a video and it looks like shit on my Android?
Yes, It would be like that, if what was sent was high profile enough to have the attention of the nation, and a man's life riding on it. If it's video of your buddy showing off his new kitten, it would be nothing like that at all and not even comparable.

Funny how all of these convenient mistakes happen to work out in the benefit of the prosecution.
 

FINGERS

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The longer the jury is out the longer you white folk are gonna snap your ankle sock braces in outrage
 

Shinkicker

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Yes, It would be like that, if what was sent was high profile enough to have the attention of the nation, and a man's life riding on it. If it's video of your buddy showing off his new kitten, it would be nothing like that at all and not even comparable.

Funny how all of these convenient mistakes happen to work out in the benefit of the prosecution.
I don't get it. How was this in the benefit of the prosecution?
 

Shinkicker

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2019 Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations
Chapter 971. Criminal procedure — proceedings before and at trial.
971.23 Discovery and inspection.


971.23 Discovery and inspection.

(1) What a district attorney must disclose to a defendant. Upon demand, the district attorney shall, within a reasonable time before trial, disclose to the defendant or his or her attorney and permit the defendant or his or her attorney to inspect and copy or photograph all of the following materials and information, if it is within the possession, custody or control of the state:

This sounds like it is on the burden of the defense to obtain a copy. So the defense attorney chose to accept an emailed version instead of copying the material to a USB (which he eventually did).
 

Greenbean

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2019 Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations
Chapter 971. Criminal procedure — proceedings before and at trial.
971.23 Discovery and inspection.


971.23 Discovery and inspection.

(1) What a district attorney must disclose to a defendant. Upon demand, the district attorney shall, within a reasonable time before trial, disclose to the defendant or his or her attorney and permit the defendant or his or her attorney to inspect and copy or photograph all of the following materials and information, if it is within the possession, custody or control of the state:

This sounds like it is on the burden of the defense to obtain a copy. So the defense attorney chose to accept an emailed version instead of copying the material to a USB (which he eventually did).
Like I said, convenient mistakes. The defense should have secured the original copy. The prosecutors should have provided the original copy. Sounds like amateur hour on both sides, though logic would stand to reason that a grainy copy of an HD file would potentially benefit one side. Are you suggesting that the defense deemed the high quality version damaging to their case?
 

sparkuri

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2019 Wisconsin Statutes & Annotations
Chapter 971. Criminal procedure — proceedings before and at trial.
971.23 Discovery and inspection.


971.23 Discovery and inspection.

(1) What a district attorney must disclose to a defendant. Upon demand, the district attorney shall, within a reasonable time before trial, disclose to the defendant or his or her attorney and permit the defendant or his or her attorney to inspect and copy or photograph all of the following materials and information, if it is within the possession, custody or control of the state:

This sounds like it is on the burden of the defense to obtain a copy. So the defense attorney chose to accept an emailed version instead of copying the material to a USB (which he eventually did).
Disclosure is universal.
If either side has anything each must have exactly the same thing.
Whoever presents it as evidence is responsible to provide 3 copies, self, court & opposing party.
 

Filthy

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Disclosure is universal.
If either side has anything each must have exactly the same thing.
Whoever presents it as evidence is responsible to provide 3 copies, self, court & opposing party.
can't fault Binger, he didn't know that he couldn't shit talk a defendant in front of the jury for asserting their 5th Amendment rights.
 

sparkuri

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sparkuri

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The closer we get to a decision the more concerned I get for the outcome.
I'm losing faith in the sanity of humanity.
 

Shinkicker

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Disclosure is universal.
If either side has anything each must have exactly the same thing.
Whoever presents it as evidence is responsible to provide 3 copies, self, court & opposing party.
Not always apparently. Wisconsin law states the prosecutor has to disclose what he has and allow the defense to inspect and copy it.

And further down in the law it states that if the defense wants the prosecutor to send him a copy then the prosecutor can charge the defense a fee for doing the work.

Who woulda thought?
 

Shinkicker

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Like I said, convenient mistakes. The defense should have secured the original copy. The prosecutors should have provided the original copy. Sounds like amateur hour on both sides, though logic would stand to reason that a grainy copy of an HD file would potentially benefit one side. Are you suggesting that the defense deemed the high quality version damaging to their case?
The original copy was brought in on an iPhone. The original was emailed from the iPhone (original source per se) to the defense who had an Android. iPhone mail compressed the video.

The prosecutor said the HD version shows the defendant pointing the gun at the victim before the shooting went down. So, maybe.
 
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La Paix

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Like I said, convenient mistakes. The defense should have secured the original copy. The prosecutors should have provided the original copy. Sounds like amateur hour on both sides, though logic would stand to reason that a grainy copy of an HD file would potentially benefit one side. Are you suggesting that the defense deemed the high quality version damaging to their case?
The Defense is arguing that when they got their copy and reviewed it they saw nothing worth building a Defense or explanation for. It wasn’t until the shitty version was played in court and the prosecutors pipesd up and basically said this version is trash and we can’t point to provocation did both sides realize they aren’t working with the same material. The prosecution is saying they copy and pasted their file to a thumb drive originally and gave said copy to Defense. The big lady on Defense team has pointed out that’s not possible as the two files don’t even have the same file name so something was altered, whether it was on purpose or not we don’t know yet.