Right, "high-risk".70 years old weighs over 300 lbs.
Vaccines probably saved his life.
His obesity and age alone would qualify him as a high risk individual for decompensating.
LoL @ that shitty "This media is presented out of context" warning...
He's still high risk.70 years old weighs over 300 lbs.
Vaccines probably saved his life.
His obesity and age alone would qualify him as a high risk individual for decompensating.
This is fake news, bruv. They're relocating them, not just tossing them out in the street.
According to authorities in Canada it's more like a 25% reduction if you're vaccinated.Counterpoint, it's a charity hotel full of immune compromised kids and the families visiting them. There is no higher priority place to universally vaccinate.
Won't somebody think of this poor dad's right to infect immunocompromised children?!?!
But sarcasm aside, vaccines VERY much reduced rate of infection with Wuhan or Delta strains. The real question is why this wasn't already their policy since its been effective. We'll assume it went through some committee and just now came out as many of these policies seem to do.
But lets look at Omicron and see if it applies since that's what we are really looking at in this month going forward:
From the UK data:
The UK data shows significant decrease in hospitalization for 2 or 3 shots. But the argument by that dad is about transmissibility. Does vaccinating everyone there lower the number of cases found at the hotel?
Looking at the UK omicron data, two shots would lower the cases of omicron found inside of the Ronald Mcdonald house by 2/3rds but this would only lower cases by 10% 5 months later. A booster would then result in maintaining 50-75% fewer cases of omicron inside the Ronald McDonald House for some time TBD as this is a new strain without that data yet.
Remembering that they're basically owned by McDonald's. I was like "There's no way they'd think "Yeah, this will go over well." I had to leave Google and go to DuckDuckGo to find it in the news. But apparently they're relocating, not just evicting.Good news
That organization helped my Brother and his family for a full year. I couldn’t imagine them doing this to them when my niece was fighting for her life.View attachment 57458
Link me. I've only seen the UK data as something that looks comparable to our health care system.According to authorities in Canada it's more like a 25% reduction if you're vaccinated.
I'll see if I can find it. Over the last few weeks data has become very difficult to find.Link me. I've only seen the UK data as something that looks comparable to our health care system.
I'll do you one better @Splinty
Jabs do not reduce risk of passing Covid within household, study suggests
Research reveals fully vaccinated people are just as likely to pass virus on to others in their householdwww.theguardian.com
and that would be Delta and not Omicron because it's form October.
Hold the phone, Jerome. If the U.K. data isn't testing everyone that makes it largely useless. According to Dr Truth Science, you start spreading 2 days before showing symptoms. That's also ignoring that if the vaccine is reducing severity of infection, that would mean that vaccinated people are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers.But that's not the topic. The topic is on effectiveness against infection. We have known that you can transmit the virus while vaccinated ever since Delta. That's why mask went away and came back. No one is disputing that. It's worth noting that you shed virus for a shorter period of time when vaccinated. It's worth noting that you are less likely to get infected in the first place if vaccinated.
But let's stay focused on the topic...
In a population that is vaccinated would you have a lower number of cases? Even if transmissibility is the same, which is not by several data points, lowering that number of active infections in the population in the first place stops your ability of transmit. It. Have to get infected before you can transmit.
The only thing I can find from a Canadian source on the subject is this pre-print:
Effectiveness of COVID-19 vaccines against Omicron or Delta infection
Background The incidence of SARS-CoV-2 infection, including among those who have received 2 doses of COVID-19 vaccines, has increased substantially since Omicron was first identified in the province of Ontario, Canada. Methods Applying the test-negative design to linked provincial data, we...www.medrxiv.org
Their methods aren't clear but they are doing a regression analysis based on samples. The UK numbers were based on symptomatic disease. They weren't testing people with no symptoms.
In this case, the estimate 37% decrease in number of cases in a vaccinated and boosted population against omicron.
Depending on their methods of samples, this may be explained as a lower number because of running PCR test on asymptomatic people or it could be that this population is different than the UK or this could be another data point suggesting that it's lower than the UK studies. But the UK data is bigger, broader and more complete and so that last part seems a bit unlikely to hang your hat on as a pre-print.
I'm just pointing out the ranges of known data. The South Africa Data falls between the Canadian and inside the range of the UK (50% effectiveness with booster) , but I have a hard time understanding their system to know what to apply. They are data points each with pros and cons. A swab test could be picking up old virus. Need to know the selection of patients.Hold the phone, Jerome. If the U.K. data isn't testing everyone that makes it largely useless. According to Dr Truth Science, you start spreading 2 days before showing symptoms. That's also ignoring that if the vaccine is reducing severity of infection, that would mean that vaccinated people are more likely to be asymptomatic carriers.
Two shots on a good day give you 10% lower cases against omicron in a population that's vaccinated vs unvaccinated after a few months. It'll still be a much higher number than delta on both sides as omicron is much higher transmission than Delta.high vaccination rate here (80% total population, 86% first dose) If we only count eligible people that number jumps to 84% and 91% first dose and we're seeing more infection here than at any other point in the pandemic, and like by a country mile.
Still comparing delta to omicron.In a controlled setting there might be some reduction in transmission, but it's kind of hard to believe it provides great protection when we're seeing our highest rates of infection during a time almost everyone is vaccinated.
Most of us aren't 6 months from second dose. You also need to keep in mind that in the article RMHC isn't asking for boosters. They're only even asking for single dose. So they aren't making a great scientific case for the move.What's your boosted population?