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mysticmac

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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgLSryE0PQo


No, the cop doesn't have to let you go, put your hands behind your back or get taken down. Then the kid jumps in. I'm surprised he didn't end up in handcuffs. Then the camera operator is up in the cops' faces and screaming. The dude gets up and starts fighting with the cops. Then Big Momma is trying to jump in too. Not to mention their little dog too. What a mess.
 

Zeph

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All of it could have been avoided by allowing him to walk to the car though. I guess it depends on what he is being arrested for, if he was violent, a flight risk, etc. If you are worried about what he has on him, tell him you need to pat him down first. Communication seems very lacking in most situations that I see online of American police, but perhaps that is just because we only get videos of the bad police officers.
 

Lamont Cranston

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He WAS resisting arrest. He was told you put his hands behind his back. All of that could have been avoided if he just followed through with the request.

It isn't "Let's talk about how this is going to happen" time. It's not a compromise. The time for discussion isn't here but at the courthouse about the issue.

What a person is saying doesn't indicate what their actions are. He can be singing "You are my sunshine" and show tunes while he's stabbing you.
 

ThatOneDude

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WTF with kicking the little dog, Im sure it was doing a lot of damage to the big tough police officers......Family was a bunch of morons though
 

mysticmac

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All of it could have been avoided by allowing him to walk to the car though. I guess it depends on what he is being arrested for, if he was violent, a flight risk, etc. If you are worried about what he has on him, tell him you need to pat him down first. Communication seems very lacking in most situations that I see online of American police, but perhaps that is just because we only get videos of the bad police officers.
That guys isn't a small guy. It makes sense to cuff him. It helps protect the officers as well as the suspect. He was getting arrested and was told to put his hands behind his back. He should have listened.

I think police brutality is out of hand, but that isn't to say the cops shouldn't be able to try to be safe while doing their job.
 

Zeph

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He WAS resisting arrest. He was told you put his hands behind his back. All of that could have been avoided if he just followed through with the request.

It isn't "Let's talk about how this is going to happen" time. It's not a compromise. The time for discussion isn't here but at the courthouse about the issue.

What a person is saying doesn't indicate what their actions are. He can be singing "You are my sunshine" and show tunes while he's stabbing you.
This is true, but as a police officer they should be trained in deescalating situations. Allowing someone to walk to the car, and then cuffing them, seems like an easy compromise to make for a peaceful walk to the car. Again, i don't have all the information, perhaps there were mitigating reasons on why this man couldn't be trusted.

I'd be interested in Darqnezz @Darqnezz opinion, as he has been a policeman IIRC.
 
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Zeph

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That guys isn't a small guy. It makes sense to cuff him. It helps protect the officers as well as the suspect. He was getting arrested and was told to put his hands behind his back. He should have listened.

I think police brutality is out of hand, but that isn't to say the cops shouldn't be able to try to be safe while doing their job.
If you have searched him with a pat down, and he is complying by walking to the car, what difference does his size make? It is simple situation deescalation. By forcing the issue this is what happens. Now, perhaps there were reasons it had to go this way, but this isn't the only way to police.
 

ThatOneDude

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If you have searching him with a pat down, and he is complying by walking to the car, what difference does his size make? It is simple situation deescalation. By forcing the issue this is what happens. Now, perhaps there were reasons it had to go this way, but this isn't the only way to police.
With the way cops beat on high school kids they probably thought that dude had 10 heads and would kill all of them and their families.
 

Lamont Cranston

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This is true, but as a police officer they should be trained in deescalating situations. Allowing someone to walk to the car, and then cuffing them, seems like an easy compromise to make for a peaceful walk to the car. Again, i don't have all the information, perhaps there were mitigating reasons on why this man couldn't be trusted.

I'd be interested in Darqnezz @Darqnezz opinion, as he has been a policeman IIRC.
He's not complying. He was asked to put his hands behind his back and the officer had physical custody.

If the guy was told that he was going to be arrested and then offered to walk to the car, or he said he would walk to the car, maybe. But once in arrest you have to maintain custody.

So sure, offer him to walk to the car and then he decides to bolt and he gets away, you have to run him down, or tackle him and he gets hurt.

The whole fiasco could have been avoided if he just let the cuffs go on. But no, much like I suspect that is the problem with his life, he is all about the drama and getting to do what he wants to do.
 

Zeph

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He's not complying. He was asked to put his hands behind his back and the officer had physical custody.

If the guy was told that he was going to be arrested and then offered to walk to the car, or he said he would walk to the car, maybe. But once in arrest you have to maintain custody.

So sure, offer him to walk to the car and then he decides to bolt and he gets away, you have to run him down, or tackle him and he gets hurt.

The whole fiasco could have been avoided if he just let the cuffs go on. But no, much like I suspect that is the problem with his life, he is all about the drama and getting to do what he wants to do.
I wasn't suggesting throw him the keys and let him stroll over on his own; Escort him over. It isn't even about the criminal getting his own way, think of the headache this causes for the officers involved. A peaceful walk to the car makes everything easier for them.
 

Lamont Cranston

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I wasn't suggesting throw him the keys and let him stroll over on his own; Escort him over. It isn't even about the criminal getting his own way, think of the headache this causes for the officers involved. A peaceful walk to the car makes everything easier for them.
It is about the guy getting his own way. You know that guy is going to push the inch into the mile.

I have no doubt if the cop said to him, "Hey, let, you're going to be arrested so let's walk to the car and we can deal with it there" the guy is going to keep jawing. That would have been the time to offer the choice. But when the cuffs are going on, shut your mouth and put them on.

In fact, don't say sh*t to the police. Silence. Never say a thing. For the most part it's not really going to help your case. The time to argue is int he court using your lawyer.

Guys like this though just can't let it go. You know he's going to go on and on about how he resisted and how many cops it took to arrest him when he's out and re-telling the story.
 

Papi Chingon

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Once you are under arrest there is no negotiating when you should be placed in cuffs. The moment you are told to put your hands behind your back you must comply or you are resisting. This guy was fighting it the whole time while stating he was in compliance. Bad move, and he suffered the consequences. He also put his family in jeopardy of being arrested since it was his non-compliance that escalated this situation.
 

Robbie Hart

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First of all you ask him to remove his hat because he looks dumb as fuck with that fucking hat.
Secondly, you get some cops who can handle themselves.
Third, you as him nicely to shut the fuck up and then if he doesn't shut up you snack the shit out of him and tell him he shuts the fuck up or you send someone new every day to do the three steps already mentioned.
 

Darqnezz

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First of all you ask him to remove his hat because he looks dumb as fuck with that fucking hat.
Secondly, you get some cops who can handle themselves.
Third, you as him nicely to shut the fuck up and then if he doesn't shut up you snack the shit out of him and tell him he shuts the fuck up or you send someone new every day to do the three steps already mentioned.
Yup
 

Darqnezz

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This is true, but as a police officer they should be trained in deescalating situations. Allowing someone to walk to the car, and then cuffing them, seems like an easy compromise to make for a peaceful walk to the car. Again, i don't have all the information, perhaps there were mitigating reasons on why this man couldn't be trusted.

I'd be interested in Darqnezz @Darqnezz opinion, as he has been a policeman IIRC.
They probably tried to deescalate the situation before the video started. Once they decided to take him into custody, it's procedure to put on cuffs. You do it for everyone. 100% of the time. These guys didn't & it escalated.
Once he started resisting, procedure is to put him on the ground. It's called placing the subject in a position of disadvantage. Then cuff him. You can use as much force as you need to get them on the ground & in cuffs.
Just realize this, most police officers get maybe 40-80 hours of defensive tactics & handcuffing practice during their academy, & maybe 4 hours follow-up training per year thereafter. I am still a defensive tactics instructor for law enforcement. I see cops making simple mistakes all the time. I get heart attacks every time I see an episode of cops.
 

mysticmac

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They probably tried to deescalate the situation before the video started. Once they decided to take him into custody, it's procedure to put on cuffs. You do it for everyone. 100% of the time. These guys didn't & it escalated.
Once he started resisting, procedure is to put him on the ground. It's called placing the subject in a position of disadvantage. Then cuff him. You can use as much force as you need to get them on the ground & in cuffs.
Just realize this, most police officers get maybe 40-80 hours of defensive tactics & handcuffing practice during their academy, & maybe 4 hours follow-up training per year thereafter. I am still a defensive tactics instructor for law enforcement. I see cops making simple mistakes all the time. I get heart attacks every time I see an episode of cops.
It has been my opinion for years that all police forces of a certain size should employ the services of a full time grappling coach and officers should be required to attend class a couple of times per week. Get these guys the hand to hand training they need and the non-lethal weapons and training they need.
 

Splinty

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That dog was TOTALLY out of line!



Shit show, but I don't blame the cops here. They could be better, but they weren't the cause of the problem.
Dude wants to go out on his own? Nah son. One cop over and over saying to put his hands behind his back. "I wanna go on my own..." Tough shit, that's not how arrest works.

Then the lady doesn't have her damn kid under control. "He's a minor!" Total bullshit. That's why that kid was simply wrestled back and nothing else happened other than to keep him from interfering.

Now the escalation to the taser always gives me concern. You've got three cops.
But now you've also got a kid and a mom behind you interfering. So I have a hard time blaming when they need to rapidly get this guy under control before someone moves in with a gun, knife, etc. to their backs.



TLDR "I'm not resisting" while you are resisting and saying "can I go on my own???" over and over doesn't work.
 

Splinty

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Unsurprisingly it's crickets in the San Fran thread..

Why wouldn't it be?
Those cops are easily in the wrong. Everyone agrees. There's no debate to be had.
If they don't get heavy sentences, they'll be a lot more talk.
 

Sweets

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Why wouldn't it be?
Those cops are easily in the wrong. Everyone agrees. There's no debate to be had.
If they don't get heavy sentences, they'll be a lot more talk.
The situation in the OP could easily have been a replica of SF were it not for the mother filming, I'd postulate that that's the reason it was as sloppy as it was.
 

mysticmac

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The situation in the OP could easily have been a replica of SF were it not for the mother filming, I'd postulate that that's the reason it was as sloppy as it was.
I think that is a large jump in logic. While I think everyone should film every encounter they have with police, that woman was getting way too close and screaming hysterically while a crowd seems to have gathered. She was escalating the situation. Cops should be trained well enough so that two of them can handle handcuffing a typical suspect while a third runs crowd control. The guy that did that in this case didn't do a very good job IMHO. He should have had everyone backed up to the stairwell making it easier to contain them. She could have still filmed it from there.

But hindsight is 20/20.