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Lukewarm Carl

Lukewarm Carl

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Splinty said:
Worthless article. Looks like they just needed a word count for clicks.
No primary link to data or what "effective" means.
Here's the study they reference.

｜NIPH Clinical Trials Search

の詳細情報です。進捗状況,試験名,対象疾患名,実施都道府県,お問い合わせ先などの情報を提供しています。
rctportal.niph.go.jp
It's been in progress since 2020. No outcomes there.
Note that their primary outcome measured is simply a negative PCR test. That might have indirect interest in contagiousness. But it isnt a clinical outcome that tells me that a patient gets better faster, stays out the hospital more, or dies less. Secondary outcomes they mention are much more important.

So what's "effective"? Hunting their actual statements and prepublished outcomes in Japanese is about impossible from the English side here.
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View: https://twitter.com/joerogan/status/1488309728593723395?t=Q9y9jfD-jilPIgJDjAPF_g&s=19
 
Shinkicker

Shinkicker

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Splinty said:
Worthless article. Looks like they just needed a word count for clicks.
No primary link to data or what "effective" means.
Here's the study they reference.

｜NIPH Clinical Trials Search

の詳細情報です。進捗状況,試験名,対象疾患名,実施都道府県,お問い合わせ先などの情報を提供しています。
rctportal.niph.go.jp
It's been in progress since 2020. No outcomes there.
Note that their primary outcome measured is simply a negative PCR test. That might have indirect interest in contagiousness. But it isnt a clinical outcome that tells me that a patient gets better faster, stays out the hospital more, or dies less. Secondary outcomes they mention are much more important.

So what's "effective"? Hunting their actual statements and prepublished outcomes in Japanese is about impossible from the English side here.
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Dammit!

Just so you know, I didn't read the damn article just the headline.

And got got.

Since when did you start reading my posts anyway?
 
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The fear factor dude is the most powerful figure in US media and the apprentice guy was prezzy for four years

 
sparkuri

sparkuri

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Lars said:
The fear factor dude is the most powerful figure in US media and the apprentice guy was prezzy for four years

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Don't forget the AIDS guy is now the Covid guy, the "president" is a pedophile with dementia, the US Secretary of Transportation gets around on a ten speed with a cock seat, the asst. DSHS sec & 4-star admiral is a mutilated transvestite, and the Websters Dictionary has turned into Wikipedia.

But it's Rogan and Trump that trigger folks.
 
Robbie Hart

Robbie Hart

All Kamala Voters Are Born Losers, Ha Ha Ha
Feb 13, 2015
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I try like hell to support the cunt, but twatfuck always gives me “useful” ratings

You know I love ya and hate you at the same time.
Though hatred is winning the battle lately

just be ready for a legit beating, “me ole son”, because you don’t know how gangsters from New Jersey handle UK twats. We’re inherently angry

good luck
 
BeardOfKnowledge

BeardOfKnowledge

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Thuglife13 said:
John Hopkins Research...

Lockdowns had little or no impact on COVID-19 deaths
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For a little more context:

Conclusions Overall, our meta-analysis fails to confirm that lockdowns have had a large, significant effect on mortality rates. Studies examining the relationship between lockdown strictness (based on the OxCGRT stringency index) find that the average lockdown in Europe and the United States only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 0.2% compared to a COVID-19 policy based solely on recommendations. Shelter-in-place orders (SIPOs) were also ineffective. They only reduced COVID-19 mortality by 2.9%. Studies looking at specific NPIs (lockdown vs. no lockdown, facemasks, closing non-essential businesses, border closures, school closures, and limiting gatherings) also find no broad-based evidence of noticeable effects on COVID-19 mortality. However, closing non-essential businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6%), which is likely to be related to the closure of bars. Also, masks may reduce COVID-19 mortality, but there is only one study that examines universal mask mandates. The effect of border closures, school closures and limiting gatherings on COVID-19 mortality yields precision-weighted estimates of -0.1%, -4.4%, and 1.6%, respectively. Lockdowns (compared to no lockdowns) also do not reduce COVID-19 mortality.
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Robbie Hart

Robbie Hart

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nuraknu said:
'Despite the overall findings, they did note some evidence that closing bars helped to reduce deaths.

'“Closing nonessential businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6%), which is likely to be related to the closure of bars,” they said.'
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What’s up chick?
 
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nuraknu said:
'Despite the overall findings, they did note some evidence that closing bars helped to reduce deaths.

'“Closing nonessential businesses seems to have had some effect (reducing COVID-19 mortality by 10.6%), which is likely to be related to the closure of bars,” they said.'
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I think it's important where they talk about shifting behaviors. We should have shut down high risk activities and encouraged low risk ones...but we shut those down too. Shutting the national parks was the dumbest thing ever and we knew that a few months into the pandemic.
Lockdown was also intended to be a bridge to mustering resources followed by targeted interventions. We didn't do that either. So why would we have a change in death? We had no increase in PPE, coordinated plans for resources, or testing spun up.

Also worth nothing this is all comers. We locked down in Texas and then released all restrictions and shot the moon...duh. yeah that doesn't do anything but hurt. You just delayed it by a month while hurting people economically and increasing other disease burden.

The whole country locked down as New York was getting hit. The Johns Hopkins article specifically talks about the first wave of all comers. And in that case we locked down prematurely in most places. The hurt of lockdown was absolutely greater than the disease...there weren't any cases. Was the new York lockdown more effective since they were actually in the midst of COVID19 burden? There are models that say it was effective but did increase other disease burden too. A net benefit with pros and cons.

People will read their headline and try to exaggerate it to whatever political meaning they seem to have here. But there's some real data to be gleened such as targeted shutdown like bar closings. But then could you minimize that impact with patios? Dunno. I just know there's now data that Hauler @Hauler being in a bar until the last minute before lockdown means he is a terrible person. And old.
 
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