She's not in breach of legislation she is filming in a public place restricting her access is unlawful. She was over emotional as were the officers no one is blameless in that regard.
VID Family overreacts to an arrest and all hell breaks loose
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I missed this, you're right it is a jump, but if you watch that video it's clear the police are flustered. I believe that is because they are are being filmed, there is a plethora of evidence for police handling things in a very different manner when filming is less overt. Like your other thread, the jump is only one of police understanding the situation in a lot of cases.
I'm no expert on the law, but I don't think it is unlawful to restrict access to filming as long as the person can reasonably film. She was right up in there which is too close. Officers usually setup a perimeter around their business for crowd control so they don't get jumped by a group of people. The kid had already stepped in, the woman was really close and shouting, the dog got riled up, and some other woman was being held back. Crowd control is needed for the safety of everyone involved.
Call me a dreamer, but I'd like to live in a society where police officers can enforce reasonable laws safely. I realize there are going to be SHTF scenarios where that goes out the window a bit, but that doesn't describe this case.
I think the officers are flustered for a number of reasons. The suspect is resisting and he's not a small man, the woman is attracting a crowd, and others are interfering.
I think you are right that they were also flustered that she was filming them, but I think we disagree on why or how that affected the situation. I think they were of the mindset that since she is filming and it is a bad scenario, so they are going to get flack for it one way or the other even though they are just trying to do their job the best way they know how. They didn't seem to be threatening the guy with physical harm. They were simply arresting him.
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If they had pushed her back to the perimeter they set up she would not have been able to film the altercation. A lot of people die in situations like that she had a right to record it.
He said he was willing to go with them, say for instance one of them applied a reasonably tight underhook and walked him toward the car un cuffed; if he goes fine, If not escalte, you never loose custody, job done. Instead they choose to escalate immediately forgoing any attempt at a reasonable solution to a minor situation which became infinitely more hazzardous. They made no attempt at allowing him volunteer custody.
I respectfully disagree. The attempt they made for him to volunteer custody was when they told him to put his hands behind his back at the beginning of the video. That guy was under arrest. He doesn't get to negotiate the terms of his arrest. When people are told they are under arrest, a lot of them will do something crazy to get out of it. That's why the cuffs go on. Nip that in the bud.
I also think the women filming is the one who escalated the situation to the point where the kid, dog, and other woman got involved or tried to. It also led to some untrained officers having to split their attention which allowed the resisting suspect to create enough space to need to tase the guy.
If she was just calmly filming giving the officers space to do their job, I don't think any of this happens.
They handled it badly either way then, if they decided he was resisting they should have taken him down and cuffed him on the spot, which I think they would have if not for the camera, they had ample opportunity to put him on the ground but didn't; again I feel because they are uncomfortable being filmed. It was during that period when they should have taken control but didn't do so correctly, a situation evolved that could have easily lead to injury or fatality as has happened in so many cases. It was there lack of control which allowed all sides to get emotional.
Like a professional who understands how to contain a situation..
Like a true savage.
How about he tries to physically attack the officer or attempts to flee . If he's under arrest and accepts it as he said in the video , what difference does it make to him where he gets cuffed ?? Perhaps he should just obey the law .
Two cops should be able to handle escorting one suspect, who has been been patted down, easily. The difference could simply be the dignity of walking to the car under your own steam and not being led out of your house in front of your wife and kids in bracelets. These things matter to people.
It's hard to judge this situation since the film starts when the cops have a hold of him. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt that force was necessary, since I have no evidence to the contrary, but as Darqness and Big Sweets have pointed out, they handled that poorly as well.