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BeardOfKnowledge

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United States:
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 4.96
  • Robbery: 86.24
Austria
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 0.97
  • Robbery: 26.95
Mexico
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 29.07
  • Robbery: 257.69
 
Filthy

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Splinty said:
Because I don't know and I don't care. We can afford it. Others with less money can afford it. Again. It's just a red herring. How much is mental health going to cost? Who knows. I don't care. We should do it. We can do it.




This is just a slippery slope argumeny to justifying no laws and doing nothing. You could use the same argument for literally anything.

But let's just run with what you've opened. Poor people, which includes mostly minorities, suffer the results of aggravated assaults being converted to successful homicides via guns more than anyone else. The ubiquitous presence of those guns illegally in those communities, mostly through stolen guns in straw purchases, results in aggressive policing and a cycle of bad relationship with community and police.
Measures that reduce straw purchases and stolen guns directly improve this situation. More guns do not.
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the cost/benefit matters. Opportunity cost is a thing, and sometimes the best investment is to not invest.
We already imprison more of our own citizens than any other country, primarily poor minorities, through selective enforcement. Why do you think this will be any different?

And i'm not just talking about the cost of administering the program (BTW - have you ever been to a Post Office or DMV, or have kids in public schools?), or the cost of building prisons and keeping prisoners. I'm talking about the cost turning tax-revenue generating citizens in to tax-consuming citizens. The social impact of a couple million kids growing up without parents who are imprisoned.

By your own admission, you want to spend an unquantifiable amount on something that will reduce a certain type of crime, when we could instead spend that money on some things that would make us a lot more like Sweden and Finland, and a lot less like Mexico.

I can't find the rationale.
 
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Lars said:
undeveloped would be a place like burkina faso or uganda
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Mexico is a lot closer to Burkina Faso and Uganda than it is to the United States. Not your point but I dun care.

I seriously think we should reclassify Mexico as South or Central America rather than North America.
 
Filthy

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United States:
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 4.96
  • Robbery: 86.24
Austria
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 0.97
  • Robbery: 26.95
Mexico
  • Homicide Rate (UNODC): 29.07
  • Robbery: 257.69
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every time you open your mouth, you remind us all that you have nothing to say.
 
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Filthy said:
still not going to put a number on cost?

everyone is just going to go along and the police won't target certain socio-economic classes with selective enforcement?

LoL - you've never been poor, have you?
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lol Splinty @Splinty finna pwn u for that last statement
 
Splinty

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BeardOfKnowledge said:
Question for you Splinty @Splinty

To what restrictions would you say "I'm fine with this, but absolutely not one thing more" ?
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I don't really understand what that question means.

You seem to be asking. Do I have any limits on what restrictions I would say no towards? Lots of them. For one, I don't think we really need to ban anything.

If you saw gun deaths fall towards the background noise of other deaths. I'd care a lot less about it. If guns were present in a manner that didn't have ramifications for others, like police having to use significantly different tactics than many other countries, I wouldn't care. I don't have any ideology about wanting to ban guns or anything like that. I own a lot of them. I also know that I'm interested enough in the hobby and the safety and disrupting the fetishism culture that if I were required to maintain competency with my weapons in order to bring them outside of my home, then I would do that.

Suppressors are unlikely to increase the amount of successful gun crimes anything significant and should probably not be NFAd. They have enough benefits to take the gamble and see what happens.

For whatever reason, the minimal hoop of enhanced background check and a small safety and legal course results in CHL holders being a self-selected bunch that are safer than the average Joe In gun ownership. So let's expand that. Not go to the opposite direction.

At the end of the day, a great majority of gun killings are done with impulsive moves that are transient. It is coupling of intent with means.
The means are probably significantly safer in the hands of those who took the subject seriously, invested time and energy into it And are browbeat into disrupting the fetishism and Billy badass bullshit that many gun owners carry.

Causes of murder in the US:
Firearms14,415
Cutting/Piercing1,781
Suffocation502
Striking217
Poisoning135
Fire/Burning131
Drowning44
Motor vehicle27
Fall5
Other/Unspecified2,105


It's simply isn't true that if you reduce firearm murders they will just convert to other murders. And so that's what I care about.
 
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Filthy said:
every time you open your mouth, you remind us all that you have nothing to say.
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If I promise not to make fun of you again, will you stop going through the trouble of fake quoting me?
 
mysticmac

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Splinty said:
Measures that reduce straw purchases and stolen guns directly improve this situation.
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How do you reduce straw purchases? You can punish someone after the fact, but by the time law enforcement finds out about that crime, another crime is very likely to have been committed.

How do you reduce the number of stolen guns? Storage laws? How would those be enforced? Send law enforcement into people's homes to verify storage? Use it as a penalty to make the victim of a robbery a criminal?
 
Splinty

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mysticmac said:
How do you reduce straw purchases? You can punish someone after the fact, but by the time law enforcement finds out about that crime, another crime is very likely to have been committed.

How do you reduce the number of stolen guns? Storage laws? How would those be enforced? Send law enforcement into people's homes to verify storage? Use it as a penalty to make the victim of a robbery a criminal?
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Universal background checks begin helping both.
I've already discussed this in another part of the thread.
 
mysticmac

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Splinty said:
Universal background checks begin helping both.
I've already discussed this in another part of the thread.
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Much of the country already has that. The entire west coast has it, and it hasn't affected murder rates.

I also don't see how that would affect straw purchases or stolen guns.
 
sparkuri

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Splinty said:
Universal background checks begin helping both.
I've already discussed this in another part of the thread.
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Let's punch your numbers into the ol' murder meter and watch your brilliance sparkle.
 
Filthy

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Splinty said:
Universal background checks begin helping both.
I've already discussed this in another part of the thread.
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remember when I pointed out that Canada's database has never been used to solve or prevent a crime?

I get that Canada is a third-world shithole, but....how would ours be different?

are criminals in Canada unarmed?
 
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