General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas

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so you think the glass will stop the guy with guns too lol

if you add ballistic glass to your plan, sure. now give me an estimate on cost and timeline both for procurement and project completion and tell me it’s realistic to do to in every school in america (100,000 k/12 public schools). also explain to me why i want ballistic glass that can’t be broken in case of emergency on schools
Let's not forget the fact that public education is run by each state, which would slow things down considerably due to the added bureaucracy.

But yes, instead of creating stricter gun laws we should lock kids into schools/classrooms with no way to get them out.

Calling it a braindead idea is an insult to the brainless.
 

mysticmac

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Let's not forget the fact that public education is run by each state, which would slow things down considerably due to the added bureaucracy.

But yes, instead of creating stricter gun laws we should lock kids into schools/classrooms with no way to get them out.

Calling it a braindead idea is an insult to the brainless.
So you don't think there is any reason for a school to go into lockdown?
 

John Lee Pettimore

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It’s not evens that complicated. And since we’re talking resumes. I was a VP and head of field operations for a door company for 15 years and now have 8+ years working maintenance in public schools.

Most of the exterior doors would be fairly sufficient if the hardware was changed. You eliminate the dogging ability on all exterior doors. Also eliminate exterior door closers with the arms that can lock allowing door to remain open. Then change all exterior locks for classrooms to not be able to be passage. All classrooms should require a key or key fob to enter. Several teachers had a sliding rubber block that sticks to the door. They use it to block the door from closing. Then they don’t have to open door when students return from office/bathrooms etc.
And then someone props it open to go get their phone from the car park because this is an elementary school and not a prison, and now all of that is worthless.

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John Lee Pettimore

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Or you give every child a stick so they can defend themselves against that one kid with a stick. Seems like a more straight forward solution.
Or you take all the kids and lock them in individual little pods all day, so none of them can hurt each other to begin with.

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mysticmac

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And then someone props it open to go get their phone from the car park because this is an elementary school and not a prison, and now all of that is worthless.

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The guy was shooting at windows from outside the school well before he found the open door and went in. Someone should have checked all exterior doors when the shooting started.
 

John Lee Pettimore

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The guy was shooting at windows from outside the school well before he found the open door and went in. Someone should have checked all exterior doors when the shooting started.
Someone should have done something to keep the AR-15 out of the hands of this depressed teenage psychopath with no friends or social connections.

But yeah - keep adding more concrete, and more security doors, and more guns. ?

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John Lee Pettimore

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My old high school had multiple buildings. The main building with the auditorium on the 2nd floor, the science block, the maths block, the gymnasium, and a couple of little popup classrooms here and there.

The main building had 4 double door entrances on the ground floor, and another double door at the top of the exterior staircase for external access to the auditorium.

Every one of those double doors on the ground floor was open at all times during the schoolday. So were the maths and science blocks.

We never walked around saying to ourselves "jeez, it sucks that this place isn't designed and built as a prison. I hate that I don't have to needlessly walk around the entire main building just to access the single fortified entrance any time I need to get to class." We just walked into the building like it was a regular building and not a prison.

There was also a loading bay right underneath the auditorium, and sometimes a gas cylinder delivery truck would show up in the morning and park up right underneath the auditorium where 800 kids were having assembly. Like, directly under everyone's feet. My psycho friend and I were always spun out by that. :smile:



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mysticmac

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My old high school had multiple buildings. The main building with the auditorium on the 2nd floor, the science block, the maths block, the gymnasium, and a couple of little popup classrooms here and there.

The main building had 4 double door entrances on the ground floor, and another double door at the top of the exterior staircase for external access to the auditorium.

Every one of those double doors on the ground floor was open at all times during the schoolday. So were the maths and science blocks.

We never walked around saying to ourselves "jeez, it sucks that this place isn't designed and built as a prison. I hate that I don't have to needlessly walk around the entire main building just to access the single fortified entrance any time I need to get to class." We just walked into the building like it was a regular building and not a prison.

There was also a loading bay right underneath the auditorium, and sometimes a gas cylinder delivery truck would show up in the morning and park up right underneath the auditorium where 800 kids were having assembly. Like, directly under everyone's feet. My psycho friend and I were always spun out by that. :smile:



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Yeah, my school had multiple open entryways as well. Times change.
 

mysticmac

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But not when it comes to gun laws, of course. Everything else is on the table for change, but never that. Unless the change is for more guns, of course.

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Gun laws change constantly. In the US, guns are mostly regulated at the state level. States change laws almost every session.