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Filthy

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AR-15s aren’t assault rifles’

One of the most common tactics used by gun culturists is to try to belittle their opponents’ knowledge of firearms.

By their lights, anyone who calls an AR-15 or one of its many variants an “assault rifle” is uninformed and not worth listening to.

They’ll tell you the only “real” assault rifles are “selective fire,” which gives the user the choice of shooting multiple bullets with one trigger pull, while the AR-15 fires only one bullet per pull.

And they almost always point out that AR doesn’t stand for assault rifle, but for Armalite rifle, after the company that originated it.

The AR does stand for Armalite, but that’s about as true as this myth gets. The gun was developed under a Pentagon bid specification — I’ve read it — specifically seeking a “semi-automatic assault rifle” for troops.

Armalite sold the design to Colt, which cranked out two versions — the military M-16 in selective fire and the civilian AR-15 in semi-automatic.

AR-15s and their copycats — along with cheaper Chinese knockoffs of the Soviet AK-47 — were called assault rifles in gun catalogs, gun magazines and by owners until well into the 2000s.

But the term got a bad reputation after assault rifles became the weapon of choice for random mass shootings, because they’re the most capable and formidable weapons a civilian can buy.

In 2009, the National Shooting Sports Foundation, a gun industry trade association, coined a new and softer term — “modern sporting rifle” — and demanded everybody use it.

Gun magazines and lots of mainstream news sources, including the Associated Press which I ordinarily respect, have changed their style to refer to assault rifles by more warm-and-fuzzy euphemisms.

I won’t.
by definition, an assault rifle is capable of select-fire.
 

Filthy

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"hydrostatic shock" was a theory used to persuade Army brass that the 5.56mm round was capable of performing in the same role as the traditional 7-8mm rounds used during WW2. (come at me BeardOfKnowledge @BeardOfKnowledge) :)

But the real value of the select-fire platforms was in their ability to lay suppressive fire for squad assault tactics. "Assault Rifle" is literally the translation of the first weapon to be designed around using a mid-caliber, select-fire, large magazine infantry weapon (Sturmgewehr 44, 'assault rifle' 1944).

so while marketing is marketing, assault rifles are assault rifles when they're capable of select-fire.

Shall I go on?

 
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"hydrostatic shock" was a theory used to persuade Army brass that the 5.56mm round was capable of performing in the same role as the traditional 7-8mm rounds used during WW2. (come at me BeardOfKnowledge @BeardOfKnowledge) :)

But the real value of the select-fire platforms was in their ability to lay suppressive fire for squad assault tactics. "Assault Rifle" is literally the translation of the first weapon to be designed around using a mid-caliber, select-fire, large magazine infantry weapon (Sturmgewehr 44, 'assault rifle' 1944).

so while marketing is marketing, assault rifles are assault rifles when they're capable of select-fire.

Shall I go on?

nobody cares you ammosexual
 

Shinkicker

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"hydrostatic shock" was a theory used to persuade Army brass that the 5.56mm round was capable of performing in the same role as the traditional 7-8mm rounds used during WW2. (come at me BeardOfKnowledge @BeardOfKnowledge) :)

But the real value of the select-fire platforms was in their ability to lay suppressive fire for squad assault tactics. "Assault Rifle" is literally the translation of the first weapon to be designed around using a mid-caliber, select-fire, large magazine infantry weapon (Sturmgewehr 44, 'assault rifle' 1944).

so while marketing is marketing, assault rifles are assault rifles when they're capable of select-fire.

Shall I go on?

Not all select-fire rifles are assault rifles.

The military definition of assault rifle is pretty detailed. By their definition the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
But it is an assault weapon by definition.
 

Filthy

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nobody cares you ammosexual
Have it your way.

eventually the concept was matured to point that the Army developed the M249 SAW (Squad Assault Weapon), where the magazine is replace by a belt-feed and is actually a Light Machine Gun, as it's commonly deployed in Brigade Combat Teams as a crew-serviced weapon.

The anti-2A propagandists attempted to blur the line by mixing the terms for Assault Rifle and Assault Weapon and convince people that weapons which are under-powered WW2 infantry rifles are SUPER DEADLY BABY KILLERS! BARREL SHROUDS! PISTOL GRIPS!

 

Filthy

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Not all select-fire rifles are assault rifles.

The military definition of assault rifle is pretty detailed. By their definition the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
But it is an assault weapon by definition.
never said that.

also,
assault weapon is a political definition.
 

mysticmac

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Not all select-fire rifles are assault rifles.

The military definition of assault rifle is pretty detailed. By their definition the AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
But it is an assault weapon by definition.
Your post was about assault rifles though.
 

mysticmac

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My post also said that an AR15 was not an assault rifle by definition.
But you then went on to explain why you seem to think it is valid to refer to semi-automatic rifles as assault rifles. Your post seems to be about proving the statement that an AR-15 is not an assault rifle to be historically inaccurate.
 

Shinkicker

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But you then went on to explain why you seem to think it is valid to refer to semi-automatic rifles as assault rifles. Your post seems to be about proving the statement that an AR-15 is not an assault rifle to be historically inaccurate.
My post was from an article but I agree with it.

The AR does not fit the definition of the term ‘assault rifle’, even though it was created in response to a request for a semi automatic assault rifle. And was called an assault rifle for years.

But technically it is a rifle and it assaults. So the mother is an assault rifle.

Semantics. It’s nothing but a diversion from the real conversation.

Sad really.
 

Splinty

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My favorite part is how annoying language is in adapting. Because people regularly call ARs "assault rifles" eventually the term will be accepted as an appropriate alternative.

At that point I expect a number of previously responsible gun owners to go a mass shootings with dual wielding pistols.
 

Filthy

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Robbie Hart

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My favorite part is how annoying language is in adapting. Because people regularly call ARs "assault rifles" eventually the term will be accepted as an appropriate alternative.

At that point I expect a number of previously responsible gun owners to go a mass shootings with dual wielding pistols.
Isn’t any gun, used outside of a controlled environment (is a gun range), an “assault” weapon?
 

Zeph

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Isn’t any gun, used outside of a controlled environment (is a gun range), an “assault” weapon?
This is the kind of thinking we keep you around for Rob. Put in an assault weapons gun ban, then rather than passing new laws, just scope creep the definition to encompass all guns.

I agree that is the route America should go.