no shit.
any other insights?
committing a crime isn't an attack on democracy.
Rule of Law.
subverting the Rule of Law, like Biden/Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton...Wilson have done IS an attack on democracy.
General Senate Judiciary Committee Report on Jan 6th
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any other insights?
committing a crime isn't an attack on democracy.
Rule of Law.
subverting the Rule of Law, like Biden/Trump/Obama/Bush/Clinton...Wilson have done IS an attack on democracy.
Just because the magatards are too stupid to understand that doesn’t mean they didn’t attempt to.
But there's already a law.
So in no way was it a coup. It was a couple "assaulting a police officer" and a bunch of property crime.
remember the picture of the "insurrectionists" walking between the velvet ropes?
A couple?
Seems like a disingenuous comment.
Do you honestly think there was only a couple incidents of assault on law enforcement that day?
I was under the impression he went with intent rather than simply motive. However, he certainly deserves his due process.
how many cans of tear-gas were deployed?
how many officers were engaged?
and yes, there were only a couple of incidents of people assaulting police officers. There's also a lot of video of cops removing barricades, standing to the side, and generally doing fuck-all about this "coup". A "coup" with the encouragement of the POTUS and with a complicit Law Enforcement, isn't much of a "coup" or "insurrection"...
given that there was no way anything they did would change the transfer of power, I'd say it's as much of an assault on democracy as the sit-ins at Kavanagh's confirmation or the people protesting at the homes of SCOTUS Justices.
Specific to Jan 6 no. But lots of good ones still that you may like.
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mens rea is only one aspect of a "crime".
you have to break a law by action....actus reus.
As I said, he gets due process.
So now you’re agreeing intent/motivation does fall under mens rea?
Isn't it crazy that you and I, who objectively speaking are moron clowns, can see parallels but "completely unbiased" people see none at all and blame everything on a specific team?
Thousands of insurrectionists storm the Capitol out of loyalty to the President's baseless lies, leading to an unprecedented emergency evacuation of the entire Congress as they hid in legitimate fear for their lives. All the while, the President himself cheering it on and doing absolutely nothing to stop it, and demanding that his team illegally block the certification even as they told him over and over that he lost the election. And GOP Congresswomen tweet the location of the Speaker to the angry mob that is roaming the halls of the Capitol looking to kill her. And then there's an 18 month long continuing effort afterwards by the former President and the GOP to remove anyone who resisted the lie, and replace them with people who will refuse to certify any unfavourable election result. Oh and now the Jan 6 insurrectionists are political prisoners, according to many members of the Republican Congress.
Versus.
One random guy in a van, connected to and supported/encouraged by nobody, having an emotional breakdown and calling the cops on himself in tears, telling them to come arrest him before he does something stupid. And absolutely nobody in the Democratic Party is calling him a patriot or a political prisoner.
Yeah.........
Yes, when it comes to American politics, your continued insistence on desperately clinging to utter bullshit like that does in fact make you an idiot clown.
Also, why are you talking about other posters referring to themselves as "completely unbiased" in quote marks? Who has referred to themselves as that, exactly? Nobody. If you're a moron clown (which you are), then that doesn't then automatically make me or anyone else perfect and unbiased purely because I disagree with your bullshit. That's your binary simpleton side coming out again. ?
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arguing that "parallels" means the same thing as "virtually identical"...Thousands of insurrectionists storm the Capitol out of loyalty to the President's baseless lies, leading to an unprecedented emergency evacuation of the entire Congress as they hid in legitimate fear for their lives. All the while, the President himself cheering it on and doing absolutely nothing to stop it, and demanding that his team illegally block the certification even as they told him over and over that he lost the election. And GOP Congresswomen tweet the location of the Speaker to the angry mob that is roaming the halls of the Capitol looking to kill her. And then there's an 18 month long continuing effort afterwards by the former President and the GOP to remove anyone who resisted the lie, and replace them with people who will refuse to certify any unfavourable election result. Oh and now the Jan 6 insurrectionists are political prisoners, according to many members of the Republican Congress.
Versus.
One guy in a van, calling the cops on himself in tears and telling them to come arrest him before he does something stupid. And absolutely nobody in the Democratic Party is calling him a patriot or a political prisoner.
Yeah.........
Yes, when it comes to American politics, your continued insistence on desperately clinging to utter bullshit like that does in fact make you an idiot clown.
Also, why are you talking about other posters referring to themselves as "completely unbiased" in quote marks? Who has referred to themselves as that, exactly? Nobody. If you're a moron clown (which you are), then that doesn't then make me or anyone else perfect and unbiased purely because I disagree with your bullshit. That's your binary simpleton side coming out again. ?
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Go Team!!!
by what mechanism were these "thousands of insurrections" going to "block the certification"? LoL
He has directly stated that this guy in a van presented, quote, "a more egregious and obvious attempt to overthrow" American democracy than Jan 6 and everything associated with it before and after.
One random wingnut with a gun having a mental breakdown and calling the cops on himself before he does anything, is a "more egregious" assault on democracy than a President refusing to acknowledge that he lost an election, and encouraging an angry mob to storm the Capitol, and not understanding why the people around him weren't as excited to cancel the peaceful transfer of power as he was. And then having most of his party fully back him in that for years afterwards, because they want to profit from his army of millions of anti-democracy cultists?
Sorry man, that's pure moron clown shit. That's just mindless shilling for cunts.
You, on the other hand? Sure you still babble right-wing nonsense, but at least you're out of the closet about it and you're willing to have a discussion and try to back your right wing nonsense. That, I can respect. Shilling nonstop for extremist cunts and their lies while pathetically pretending like you're some unbiased neutral arbiter who just calls it down the middle....... nah, not so much.
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you see what you want to see and disregard the rest.He has directly stated that this guy in a van presented, quote, "a more egregious and obvious attempt to overthrow" American democracy than Jan 6 and everything associated with it before and after.
Sorry man, that's pure moron clown shit.
You, you still babble right-wing nonsense, but at least you're out of the closet about it and you're willing to have a discussion and try to back your right wing nonsense. That, I can respect. Shilling nonstop for extremist cunts and their lies while pathetically pretending like you're some unbiased neutral arbiter who just calls it down the middle....... nah, not so much.
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the Kavanaugh sit in was a more meaningful attack on the functions of democracy than Jan6.
The sit in was not an appropriate demonstration, simply because of the risk of it boiling over into serious mob violence. You don't want angry mobs inside government buildings.
Now that we're agreed on that, since the Kavanaugh protestors were worse and more dangerous.......
Who died on that day?
How many windows did they break to access the building?
Which officials were pressuring Kavanaugh to illegally cancel 200+ years of American democracy?
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That's not the mindset the criminals had before or during the attack though, is it. They were there to forcibly prevent Trump's legitimate election loss from being certified.
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I can agree with a POV more readily if it's not capped with ad homs.
Just putting that out there
Just putting that out there
Is there a serious discussion to be had with this clown? No. He has his gimmick, and he's too invested in it to do anything else.
The most pathetic thing is, it's very clear that he's slowly coming to the realisation that January 6 in fact was and is much more serious than he spent months claiming it is. But, he can't admit that a lot of the stuff we've learned from this committee has been very disturbing. Nor can he even sack up and admit that the GOP has a large and powerful anti-democracy faction, starting from the very top, and that is a big fucking problem in a two party system.
That's like me not being able to concede that the Democrats have a BIG fucking problem with a) out of touch, rich, lobbyist-owned empty suits setting all the policy and comms, and b) these fucking 80-something year old geriatrics (Pelosi, Biden, Feinstein etc) keeping a literal death grip on power.
Except I'm openly leftist, and I'm not trying to claim that I'm some neutral unbiased observer who isn't cheering for one team over the other. But I'm MUCH harsher and more specific with my criticism of the Dems than this clown is with his essentially nonexistent criticism of the GOP. How does that work?
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...not to put too fine a point on it, but...
Here's the way I deal with people: ad homs are best when they're objectively funny, but usually better left out altogether.
He and I have had plenty of amicable disagreements, it just takes crushing the Shasta. I could bust out a cold, friendly can if you like ?
im not sure what an "ad homs" is because im not a fucken nerd
but i think i agree with you
It’s like when you try to defend your sexual obsession with cartoons animals and I call you a skunk fucker instead of addressing the issue at hand.