General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas

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Filthy

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This sounds silly. Why wouldn’t they fear being shot by an AR?

You don’t think the cops assumed the guy had a big bad ‘assault weapon’

They're on record as being afraid of getting shot. That could have been a .22 AR for all they knew. The killer could have a higher body count if he'd had a .22 handgun and shot everyone in the room in the head with it. No one even tried to open the door.

it's funny that you just assume that they had knowledge of his weapon. Like a guy running with dark long gun couldn't be carrying a shotgun or lever gun. Do yo think the saw the black magazine on the black gun against the killer's black clothes?

show me ANY evidence that their actions were based on fear of an AR, other than someone projecting their own fear on the situation.

I guarantee you the training they received would commonly feature an attacker carrying an AR...because all the cops have ARs and it's the easiest "rifle" for them to use. So you're theory is baseless and unsupported.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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They're on record as being afraid of getting shot. That could have been a .22 AR for all they knew. The killer could have a higher body count if he'd had a .22 handgun and shot everyone in the room in the head with it. No one even tried to open the door.

it's funny that you just assume that they had knowledge of his weapon. Like a guy running with dark long gun couldn't be carrying a shotgun or lever gun. Do yo think the saw the black magazine on the black gun against the killer's black clothes?

show me ANY evidence that their actions were based on fear of an AR, other than someone projecting their own fear on the situation.

I guarantee you the training they received would commonly feature an attacker carrying an AR...because all the cops have ARs and it's the easiest "rifle" for them to use. So you're theory is baseless and unsupported.
Do cops not always assume the worst or most dangerous by training?
 

Filthy

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How so?

What if he took the same strategy with the gun he used?
the cops weren't coming in. They'd "assessed" the situation as 'barricaded suspect' instead of 'active shooter'.
To do the same thing with an AR would be messy and psychologically...unbearable? I don't know who can take a centerfire rifle to the head of 30 kids.

no one in the room would have survived.
It could have been a .410 shotgun or 30-30 lever gun. The cops weren't going in, he had 90m to walk around and shoot as many as he could bear.

No evidence at all that "fear of extra-deadly AR" had anything to do with their actions.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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the cops weren't coming in. They'd "assessed" the situation as 'barricaded suspect' instead of 'active shooter'.
To do the same thing with an AR would be messy and psychologically...unbearable? I don't know who can take a centerfire rifle to the head of 30 kids.

no one in the room would have survived.
It could have been a .410 shotgun or 30-30 lever gun. The cops weren't going in, he had 90m to walk around and shoot as many as he could bear.

No evidence at all that "fear of extra-deadly AR" had anything to do with their actions.
So a handgun wouldn’t have been more lethal?
 

Filthy

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You think he would have had a higher body count if he showed up with a hand gun and kept the same strategy?
would they have identified an active shooter before he took a handgun out and started killing kids?

wouldn't they have just thought "guy crashed truck and is going to school for help."
how many rounds would he have discharged before anyone even realized it wasn't firecrackers?
would anyone outside the school have heard a handgun and recognized where it was coming from?
 

Filthy

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discussions like this are ghoulish. I'd rather not, unless there's something else you're getting at.

i haven't seen anything about cops being afraid of an AR instead of any other firearm. None.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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would they have identified an active shooter before he took a handgun out and started killing kids?

wouldn't they have just thought "guy crashed truck and is going to school for help."
how many rounds would he have discharged before anyone even realized it wasn't firecrackers?
would anyone outside the school have heard a handgun and recognized where it was coming from?
Would the cops have been that scared if it was a hand gun?
 

Shinkicker

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They're on record as being afraid of getting shot. That could have been a .22 AR for all they knew. The killer could have a higher body count if he'd had a .22 handgun and shot everyone in the room in the head with it. No one even tried to open the door.

it's funny that you just assume that they had knowledge of his weapon. Like a guy running with dark long gun couldn't be carrying a shotgun or lever gun. Do yo think the saw the black magazine on the black gun against the killer's black clothes?

show me ANY evidence that their actions were based on fear of an AR, other than someone projecting their own fear on the situation.

I guarantee you the training they received would commonly feature an attacker carrying an AR...because all the cops have ARs and it's the easiest "rifle" for them to use. So you're theory is baseless and unsupported.
There were cops outside the door when he was shooting, no?

And you think , after training for an attacker carrying an AR and having an AR themselves, they might have mistaken the sound for a shotgun or bolt rifle?

And what about the cops who arrived on scene while the man was shooting at the school from outside? They reported they had a clear shot at him but there were kids in the background? Do you think they may have mistaken it for a shotgun or bolt action rifle?

Geez.
 
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Filthy

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There were cops outside the door when he was shooting, no?

And you think , after training for an attacker carrying an AR and having an AR themselves, they might have mistaken the sound for a shotgun or bolt rifle?

And what about the cops who arrived on scene while the man was shooting at the school from outside? They reported they had a clear shot at him but there were kids in the background? Do you think they may have mistaken it for a shotgun or bolt action rifle?

Geez.
yes.

because that's how stress works.

You seriously think they would have ran in the room if it was a shotgun, but not for an AR?

GEEZ.
 

mysticmac

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yes.

because that's how stress works.

You seriously think they would have ran in the room if it was a shotgun, but not for an AR?

GEEZ.
No, the officer was asking for his supervisor's approval to take the shot. His supervisor wasn't there.
 

Shinkicker

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No, the officer was asking for his supervisor's approval to take the shot. His supervisor wasn't there.
Now I’m reading that it was a coach dressed in all black on lunch break that they were aiming for. The gunman was entering the school in a different area. So that cop at least didn’t see the weapon.
 

Filthy

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Now I’m reading that it was a coach dressed in all black on lunch break that they were aiming for. The gunman was entering the school in a different area. So that cop at least didn’t see the weapon.
Impressive that you still believe the police version of events