There was no EU. Britain didn't need to storm any beaches. Britain acted selflessly entering the war.
The U.S. exploited the situation for financial gains.
The U.S. exploited the situation for financial gains.
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FOR QUEEN AND COUNTRY YOU SLUTS
It still doesnt explain why we were begged, we didnt exploit shit. Europe needed weapons and we produced them. Do you think without them that Germany could have been stopped? If we were exploiting the war we could have sold to both sides and stayed out completely. You like to bash the war mongering US but it wasnt the Queen coming to save our asses either time. Trust me after hearing some of the bullshit spewed here i almost feel bad so many of our fathers and sons were buried in France saving an obviously ungratefull continent.
The English cracked the enigma code fairly early in the war and still couldnt keep the Germans from laying waste to their cities. We not on,y defeated the Japanese we were crucial to defeating the Germans. Without American military technology we would belooking at a completely different Europe. Plain and simple.
He was a massive piece of shit wife beating racist cunt but yeah you have a point I suppose lol
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Just troll, troll, trolling my boat fren
I know man so was I, the word troll gets thrown around too much. Here in the civilized world of the metric system and foot paths we call it being a cunt.
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Well, almost 70 Japanese cities were subject to (fire) bombings in an attempt to bring Japan to its knees. These bombings (Napalm) were arguably as devistating and unethical as the H-boms that later dropped in an attempt to stop the bombing with one big blast.
The Japanese however, were not planning to give in, a surrender was considered a dishonorable ending to a losing war. All bombings are bad, but they were a response to Japanese aggression throughout the region. A stubborn enemy such as the Japanese, had to get a clear message.
Yes, there are claims of a "Secret" surrender, an internal struggle to decide to surrender within the ranks of the Japanese. There were attempts made to come to agreements with the Soviets as intermediaries but Japan did not accept.
What was to be done with such a stubborn enemy? No solution would've appeared humane. But then again, the Japanese were far from humane themselves. There are no winners in war.
Japan were long ready to surrender and had tried to surrender a few times previously.
America wanted to kick start the cold war and wanted to do so with a pyschological advantage over the Soviet's.
Hence they rejected Japn's terms of surrender, dropped the nukes, then accepted their exact same terms.
America wanted to kick start the cold war and wanted to do so with a pyschological advantage over the Soviet's.
Hence they rejected Japn's terms of surrender, dropped the nukes, then accepted their exact same terms.
Quite possibly due to the H-Bombs Japan produces cuties with dental irregularities like this one, thank you Murcia we salute you, Semper Fi!
We wanted complete and total surrender, we didnt start the fucking war. How about if Japan was so defeated why didnt they accept the terms we set? You dont get to set the terms when you are the ones surrendering. Would you have accepted a German surrender if they wanted to keep Poland and France?
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You've gone full retard.
Before, you at least tried to be subtle with your troll posts.
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Holy fuck I can't wait until @Sweat Tea gets banned.
@EyeAmYuki is at least tolerable, but this other clown is just annoying.
@EyeAmYuki is at least tolerable, but this other clown is just annoying.
How do you explain the British and their dental irregularities? lol
Quite possibly due to the H-Bombs Japan produces cuties with dental irregularities like this one, thank you Murcia we salute you, Semper Fi!
It's hard to go through hell & not come out all fucked up.
They just ugly motherfuckers haha sorry
@EyeAmYuki and the rest of your British scoundrels
Appreciate the sentiment, he lost an arm as well. Dude killed a Japanese soldier by spearing him with his bayonet, they gave him "white man magic" in the form of a gun to fight the Japanese and he spears them with it haha
Probably ran out of bullets but its a running joke in our family.
Edit - I mean projectile over hand spear not stab like the bayonet was intended to do. I get that
They didnt get complete and total surrender though. They dropped nukes on their targeted civilian populated cities, then agreed to Japan's terms that they just rejected.
Admiral William Leahy – the highest ranking member of the U.S. military from 1942 until retiring in 1949, who was the first de facto Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and who was at the center of all major American military decisions in World War II – wrote (pg. 441):
It is my opinion that the use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender because of the effective sea blockade and the successful bombing with conventional weapons.
The lethal possibilities of atomic warfare in the future are frightening. My own feeling was that in being the first to use it, we had adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.
General Douglas MacArthur agreed (pg. 65, 70-71):
MacArthur’s views about the decision to drop the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki were starkly different from what the general public supposed …. When I asked General MacArthur about the decision to drop the bomb, I was surprised to learn he had not even been consulted. What, I asked, would his advice have been? He replied that he saw no military justification for the dropping of the bomb. The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.
Japan was ready to surrender yes, but on their own terms. They tried negotiating with the Russians so they would sign a peace tready under the conditions that they would keep their pre-war territory. That of course had not a chance.
We are quick to question the morality of the H-bomb but seem to forget that bomb was a response to Japanese genocide of around 5 to 6 million people all around Asia. That includes the torture, rape, and executions of POW's.
The two bombs Little Boy and Fat Man, only killed a fraction of that number, an estimated 200k people. The fire bombings (Napalm) killed much more people (Appr. 600k) than those H-bombs.
The H-bombs prevented much more than the continuation of the Pacific conflict, they've most likely prevented another one from ever going off again. What if we hadn't learned from the shocking aftermath, the ultimate destruction the world witnessed?
Dan Carlin has a great Podcast (Hardcore History #42) about this very subject. It will certainly present an interesting perspective regarding the Atom Bomb.
Is this the same Gen MacArthur that wanted to nuke North Korea? The same one tnat was fired by Truman at the beginning of the war for being to out of control? Dont get me wrong he is a true American hero, but was this was more a case of him having hard feelings with President Truman than not wanting to use nukes? The Japanese wanted to keep the Emporer and we said no, they were trying to broker a deal through the Soviet Union with more favorable terms and we ended the war totally and completely. Even after the surrender there were still Japanes soldiers that fought for months and even years, so them actually wanting to broker a truce was mere speculation at that point.
If they were considering surrender they would have did it after the first bomb and not waited to see it again before making that decision.
If they were considering surrender they would have did it after the first bomb and not waited to see it again before making that decision.
"A Secret Memorandum
It was only after the war that the American public learned about Japan's efforts to bring the conflict to an end. Chicago Tribune reporter Walter Trohan, for example, was obliged by wartime censorship to withhold for seven months one of the most important stories of the war.
In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribuneand the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86 Journal, pp. 508-512.)
This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:
Was Hiroshima Necessary?
It was only after the war that the American public learned about Japan's efforts to bring the conflict to an end. Chicago Tribune reporter Walter Trohan, for example, was obliged by wartime censorship to withhold for seven months one of the most important stories of the war.
In an article that finally appeared August 19, 1945, on the front pages of the Chicago Tribuneand the Washington Times-Herald, Trohan revealed that on January 20, 1945, two days prior to his departure for the Yalta meeting with Stalin and Churchill, President Roosevelt received a 40-page memorandum from General Douglas MacArthur outlining five separate surrender overtures from high-level Japanese officials. (The complete text of Trohan's article is in the Winter 1985-86 Journal, pp. 508-512.)
This memo showed that the Japanese were offering surrender terms virtually identical to the ones ultimately accepted by the Americans at the formal surrender ceremony on September 2 -- that is, complete surrender of everything but the person of the Emperor. Specifically, the terms of these peace overtures included:
- Complete surrender of all Japanese forces and arms, at home, on island possessions, and in occupied countries.
- Occupation of Japan and its possessions by Allied troops under American direction.
- Japanese relinquishment of all territory seized during the war, as well as Manchuria, Korea and Taiwan.
- Regulation of Japanese industry to halt production of any weapons and other tools of war.
- Release of all prisoners of war and internees.
- Surrender of designated war criminals.
Was Hiroshima Necessary?
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So the evidence indicates that the Japanese military wasn't a threat at all and the American military could have left but decided to nuke them twice?
Truth normally lays somewhere in the middle and ALWAYS hurts.