General Garden/veggie/fruit guys - help with a quick question please

[Homeslice]

OK, so below, along the side of my garage, I planted several grape vines. All are muscadine grapes. (Don't bust my ass about it being a bad place to plant them and the grass growing up, I know, bad call by me.)

Anyways, take a look at the one to the far right. It has the MOST shade. See how well it is doing? Not only is it doing awesome, but its going shit-crazy growing - its growing onto the patio, where it gets even more shade, and also INTO THE FREAKING GARAGE, where it gets very little light ever, of course.

All those vines to the left in the pic are doing horrible, many barely coming about the grass level. (And that plant on the far left that looks to be doing good is not a grape vine, its a luffa vine that came around the corner.)

Given that picture, can one not conclude that having the grapes in that location is TOO much sun? That wall indeed gets a ton of son everyday (but again the part closest to the patio gets less). And while everywhere you look says muscadine are full sun grapes, I think by full sun they mean like full Michigan sun or full North Carolina sun, I don't think they mean full Texas sun.

Would you guys agree? And if so, is now a good time for me to dig them out of the ground and put them into pots to more to a place that has less sun? Or I should wait until spring to do that? Would really prefer to get them out of the ground now if it is not a bad time.

Thanks!!!

 

[NotBanjaxo]

Does that spot where the healthy vine is located get more water runoff from the roof? Maybe the others got too dry?

I'm no expert on vines, or anything garden related. I just had it in my head that vines love the sunlight.

 

[MountainMedic]

get more water runoff from the roof

Exactly my thought

 

[Homeslice]

Darmnit, I didn't really think about that Banjaxo and MM. Could be. Although, I thought I kept them decently well watered. But now I'm not so sure, maybe grapes freaking LOVE water. Fuk.

 

[Rambo John J]

Planting right next to the structure is HomeTarded brother.

Keep a barrier around your structures.

Transplant asap.

 

[Homeslice]

Planting right next to the structure is HomeTarded brother.

Keep a barrier around your structures.

Transplant asap.

Hmmm, never thought about that. But I was thinking about transplanting them to grow right along the (new) back fence (just had it installed because old one was ripped up in hurricane). Having them along the back fence is OK, right Rambo?

 

[Rambo John J]

Does that spot where the healthy vine is located get more water runoff from the roof? Maybe the others got too dry?

I'm no expert on vines, or anything garden related. I just had it in my head that vines love the sunlight.

Exactly my thought

I would bet the downspout is restricted and gutter overflows a bit during heavy rain
leaves from that tall tree have clogged it over the years

 

[NotBanjaxo]

Darmnit, I didn't really think about that Banjaxo and MM. Could be. Although, I thought I kept them decently well watered. But now I'm not so sure, maybe grapes freaking LOVE water. Fuk.

Also the slight overhang of the roof might be shielding them from the rain, especially if the prevailing wind is from the other side of the building.

 

[Rambo John J]

Hmmm, never thought about that. But I was thinking about transplanting them to grow right along the (new) back fence (just had it installed because old one was ripped up in hurricane). Having them along the back fence is OK, right Rambo?

Fence is cool.
Keep house walls accessible for maintenance and to keep them as dry as possible.

 

[Homeslice]

Got it. Thanks guys! I'll be transplanting them along the back fence. Will make sure to water them good, and we'll see if the ones in the sun grow better or worse than ones in partial/mosltly shade (some part of back fence gets tons of sun, other parts less as it goes behind garage).

Thanks!

One more fruit/veggie/garden question coming soon for you guys, but will make another thread on that.

Thanks!!!

 

[NiteProwleR]

Your mom is gonna kill you for fucking up her backyard.

 

[Papi Chingon]

Something else to consider is the house is white, which reflects a ton of the sun's light. That may be burning the plants in the sunny area. I know fuckall about grapes, but do know that they are full sun plants based upon vineyards.

 

[luchalibre]

Get then away from the house, fence will work, grape trellis is better

 

[Homeslice]

Your mom is gonna kill you for fucking up her backyard.

I'm more worried what your mom is going to do if she finds out I'm living with another woman.

 

[Homeslice]

Something else to consider is the house is white, which reflects a ton of the sun's light. That may be burning the plants in the sunny area. I know fuckall about grapes, but do know that they are full sun plants based upon vineyards.

That could be Papi, didn't think about that either. Thanks! I've removed like 5 out of 8 of them, 3 more to go, including the big mofo to the far right. Its gonna have to lose some roots.

 

[Homeslice]

Get then away from the house, fence will work, grape trellis is better

Don't suppose you know any easy to make DIY trellises? Or, even better, designs for a grape support that can go into fabric pots where they are growing?

 

[MountainMedic]

T posts and twine

 

[Homeslice]

T posts and twine

Thanks MM. So how would you do it, easy like? Stick 3 t posts around the outside base of the fabric pot, angle them in and then tie them together close to where they cross each other at the top, much like a tee-pee, then run the twine around them top to bottom more/less? Seems the easiest way I've thought of. My only problem is that I worry that once those fabric pots get a year or so old, if you have to move them, those t posts might rip through. They kind of heavy I think. Not an issue if you put the fabric pots/grapes where they need to be in the first place... Thanks!

 

[MountainMedic]

Just make a straight line with the posts, like a fence. Then run twine like barbed wire between them.
Place pots in the same line.
You can help em start by draping the plants on the twine, they'll figure out the rest.

I had some wild hops volunteers that I did similar and that became a green wall in summer.

 

[luchalibre]

Id go 6 and make a grape bridge but that's me.

My neighbor has a few of these and they've outlasted my DIY methods with wind and weather.

FOLLOOK Garden Arch Trellis for Climbing Plants Outdoor, 7.8 ft Tall PE-Coated Steel Walkway Trellis, Arched Arbors Tunnel Trellis for Vegetables, Cucumber Trellis for Garden Raised Bed with Netting Amazon.com

 

[NiteProwleR]

Something else to consider is the house is white, which reflects a ton of the sun's light. That may be burning the plants in the sunny area. I know fuckall about grapes, but do know that they are full sun plants based upon vineyards.

Paint the grapes black. Boom, sun free plants.

 

[MountainMedic]

Id go 6 and make a grape bridge but that's me.

My neighbor has a few of these and they've outlasted my DIY methods with wind and weather.

FOLLOOK Garden Arch Trellis for Climbing Plants Outdoor, 7.8 ft Tall PE-Coated Steel Walkway Trellis, Arched Arbors Tunnel Trellis for Vegetables, Cucumber Trellis for Garden Raised Bed with Netting Amazon.com

My plan if we stayed in that spot was to plant some 16 foot poles along the property line and run some cables through them, within a year it would have been a 12 foot tall fence running the property that a dog couldn't get through.

Doing shit like that is a commitment though, you aren't just ripping it out if you changed your mind, and we didn't own the place lol.
I was right, landlord was pissed at how much work it was to tear out 2 years of growth...

Lost the deposit on that one