General Talk me out of being a libitarian and why i shouldn't hate the government

[Bungee up]

1) I'm really curious to know the reason why anyone would revert from being a libitarian, towards a pro government statest?
I've heard incredible homos like crowder and a couple others say they used to be libitarian's untill they got " smart " but I've never heard a reason why?

2) what's one thing government dose that we couldn't do without it.

 

[Bungee up]

It can't be the justice system.
That shit is designed to create injustice. Where the government can spend endless amounts of money to go after whoever they choose.
Unless you have millions of dollars to throw away like big pharma companies or someone who has lawyers on retainer. And usually in that case they have lobbyists in their back pocket. People are going to plede out.
Not to mention the judge can strike anyone from the jury or block any evidence whenever they choose.
Most people have no idea what jury nullification is or what it means.

 

[ManDingo]

No

 

[Bungee up]

It can't be " mha roads "
When a big company like oil miners find a spot they don't get the local council to make the roads they do it themselves.
Because it's cheaper.
Anyway. Don't know where you all live but the roads I drive on are shit.
They're either full of potholes or fully inadequate and congested.
Most roads were made by people getting somewhere and the government claimed them.
Government didn't make the roads, people did.

 

[Bungee up]

It can't be safety.
All government is good at it removing that. They take away your right to defend your property and resolve disputes without going through appropriate legal channel's.
Which means you're dependent on a beaurocacy, you become a 10 digit number in their system.

 

[Bungee up]

No

No what yes man ?

 

[Bungee up]

It can be education
It's a daycare system at best
95% 0f kids come out of highscool dumber , more unsocialised and way less comprehensive of the real world than if they had have spent the entire time digging holes with a shovel in the back yard

 

[Bungee up]

It can be education
It's a daycare system at best
95% 0f kids come out of highscool dumber , more unsocialised and way less comprehensive of the real world than if they had have spent the entire time digging holes with a shovel in the back yard

the education system was designed and funded to to keep people dumb and uncapeable

 

[Bungee up]

Everything out of the education system, even at the highest echelons in science and mathematics is a complete scam .
We haven't had a breakthrough discovery in at least 50 years .

 

[Jamie999]

Go to parts of the world with large amounts of illiteracy and it's not a paradise.

Libertarian isn't really the same as anarchy which you seem to be more of an anarchist.. Libertarian is more of a belief of minimal amount of government necessary to have functioning society and no more.

Libertarians do believe in a judicial system and policing. Just do away with all unnecessary and bureaucratical laws.

Etc, etc. Not going to argue the other points but you're arguing anarchy not libertarianism

 

[kvr28]

Interesting conversation

 

[NiteProwleR]

Even I can spell libertarian but why would you want to go into a dying industry like public libraries?

 

[Uncle Tom Doug]

libertarians are a bunch of retarded faggots, that's why you shouldn't be one.

 

[supersonic]

Maybe open borders and immigration enforcement? This is a primary area where I disagree with libertarians. The rationale often given is if you eliminate the subsidies and other reasons that motivate the immigrants then the problem will take care of itself. I agree somewhat, but still shouldn't have millions coming over while only relying on the magic of free markets to handle it.

 

[White347lx]

libertarians are a bunch of retarded faggots, that's why you shouldn't be one.

For some reason they keep nominating actual retards for President.

 

[rmenergy]

For some reason they keep nominating actual retards for President.

Because the party itself is lost & "sold out" when they started inviting actual socialist speakers to their convention & having legitimate discussions on why they should start implementing those ideas & policies into the platform. This is all post Ron Paul era. Haven't paid much attention to them in several years.

 

[Thuglife13]

I would say voting Libertarian is just throwing away your vote. They'll never win a state office and I don't think they've even won a seat in Congress unless I'm even more retarded than I thought I am lol...

 

[Jamie999]

Maybe open borders and immigration enforcement? This is a primary area where I disagree with libertarians. The rationale often given is if you eliminate the subsidies and other reasons that motivate the immigrants then the problem will take care of itself. I agree somewhat, but still shouldn't have millions coming over while only relying on the magic of free markets to handle it.

You can want a mixed system with some but not all libertarian policies/stances.

 

[Fookster1982]

The interstate system was a federal program that was successful. The race to the moon was a federal program that was successful.

you could never build an interstate system and our road system based solely tolls. SpaceX can’t build a rocket that can take off without exploding (hyperbole). The federal government has done very few things right but there are some.

 

[MountainMedic]

*patiently awaits Talk Me Out Of Being a Librarian thread*

 

[Uncle Tom Doug]

The interstate system was a federal program that was successful. The race to the moon was a federal program that was successful.

you could never build an interstate system and our road system based solely tolls. SpaceX can’t build a rocket that can take off without exploding (hyperbole). The federal government has done very few things right but there are some.

The moon landings that we can't replicate 50+ years later? Space is fake and gay and so are birds.

You are absolutely right about the interstate system, though.

 

[Jamie999]

The interstate system was a federal program that was successful. The race to the moon was a federal program that was successful.

you could never build an interstate system and our road system based solely tolls. SpaceX can’t build a rocket that can take off without exploding (hyperbole). The federal government has done very few things right but there are some.

Second part is so wrong it's not even worth arguing. You have it the complete opposite.

Interstate system at surface level sounds like a good point but some countries actually MAKE money on their highway system (still implemented by the government) through tolls, so no reason why a private company wouldn't be able to do that, I don't think that's the issue.. I think the big problem would just be land access. You can't expect to get ALL land access through purchasing it in traditional means today.

 

[okiebug]

1. Libertarian is not a political ideology nor is it an economic system. It's just a confederation of ideas centered around people's objection with government authority.

2. Because it is not really defined, it has no true place or path to accomplish anything at a macro level. It's why it generally devolves into a legalize weed and lower taxes complaints with no real solution. And constant fighting over incredibly important national issues like abortion and immigration.

3. All of this is why people aren't just libertarians. They're anarchist or constitutional Republicans, or far left hippies but all claim to be libertarians when their underlying political ideologies clash.

It has no sustainability as a political movement.

 

[Fookster1982]

Second part is so wrong it's not even worth arguing. You have it the complete opposite.

Interstate system at surface level sounds like a good point but some countries actually MAKE money on their highway system (still implemented by the government) through tolls, so no reason why a private company wouldn't be able to do that, I don't think that's the issue.. I think the big problem would just be land access. You can't expect to get ALL land access through purchasing it in traditional means today.

I too just claim people are wrong when I can’t counter their point…

 

[Lamont Cranston]

I'm not a libertarian but I think that the gov't should never be trusted absolutely and there should be checks and balances to keep them from having too much power or staying in power too long.