VID By The Numbers - The Untold Story of Muslim Opinions & Demographics - By a Sunni Muslim

[member 1013]

A moderate Canadian Sunni Muslim named Raheel Raza has come out with this video. She has dedicated a large part of her life to combating the rise of radicalism in Islamic societies. She belongs to the Canadian Muslim congress, which has been critical of the Prime Minister for meeting with radicals and wants the niqab banned.

What are TMMAC's thoughts on this video?

 

[member 1013]

Ben Afleck is a douche.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

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Now Im not saying that means much, but we always need to look at the source of the information, the above captioned related to the Pew Charitable Trust which provides 100% of funding to the Pew Institute who's surveys were relied upon in the OP video.

Food for thought

 

[member 1013]

"The Trusts, a single entity, is the successor to, and sole beneficiary of, seven charitable funds established between 1948 and 1979 by J. Howard Pew, Mary Ethel Pew, Joseph N. Pew, Jr., and Mabel Pew Myrin — the adult sons and daughters of Sun Oil Companyfounder Joseph N. Pew and his wife, Mary Anderson Pew. Honoring their parents’ religious conviction that good works should be done quietly, the original Pew Memorial Foundation [2] was a grantmaking organization that made donations anonymously. The foundation became the Pew Memorial Trust in 1956, based in Philadelphia, the donors’ hometown. Between 1957 and 1979, six other trusts were created, representing the personal and complementary philanthropic interests of the four siblings. [3][4] The Trusts remains based in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, with an office in Washington, D.C."

Now Im not saying that means much, but we always need to look at the source of the information, the above captioned related to the Pew Charitable Trust which provides 100% of funding to the Pew Institute who's surveys were relied upon in the OP video.

Food for thought

Good way to selectively read one part of a sentence.

The religious conviction they honor is that good works should be done quietly... can you provide any proof of their religious bias?

 

[member 1013]

The Pew Trusts are very highly regarded as a non partisan NGO that uses evidence based analysis and excellent research. I have never heard anyone infer anything negative about them.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Good way to selectively read one part of a sentence.

The religious conviction they honor is that good works should be done quietly... can you provide any prove of their religious bias?

Not at this point in time, they might not even have one hence me saying it might not mean much, as for the deeds being done quietly Al Queda moves pretty quiet too haha

Anyways my point is that the think tank that conducted the surveys is funded by what can at least loosely be described as a religious charity of an opposing faith to Islam.


Only reason I checked is that the numbers they are claiming seem outrageous, Pakistan for example has a large recently converted Christian population who arent being massacred

 

[member 1013]

Not at this point in time, they might not even have one hence me saying it might not mean much, as for the deeds being done quietly Al Queda moves pretty quiet too haha

Anyways my point is that the think tank that conducted the surveys is funded by what can at least loosely be described as a religious charity of an opposing faith to Islam.


Only reason I checked is that the numbers they are claiming seem outrageous, Pakistan for example has a large recently converted Christian population who arent being massacred

It is not a religious charity at all though... the parents of the Pews just happened to be religious.

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Now of course this is from the horse's mouth, but unless they are running a serious deep cover agenda that I am missing it doesn't seem like a religious charity.

All the research is also available on their website to peruse I believe.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

@ConorTheGoat great work good on them, I bet they are Christians though.

Again if so my muslims wished death to apostles why is it that there are sizable Christian minorities in largely muslim countries some of which practice sharia law or a watered down version of the same.

Not saying its wrong, I just question everything, Im sure a man of your intellectual good fortune can appreciate why yeah?

 

[member 1013]

@ConorTheGoat great work good on them, I bet they are Christians though.

Again if so my muslims wished death to apostles why is it that there are sizable Christian minorities in largely muslim countries some of which practice sharia law or a watered down version of the same.

Not saying its wrong, I just question everything, Im sure a man of your intellectual good fortune can appreciate why yeah?

Absolutely I feel ya, and if indeed it is a religious organization with bias I would regret posting this video. I have a lot of respect for the woman in the video, I have even met her once and she seemed both extremely genuine and intelligent, so I am biased that she would not be duped. I wasn't saying your concerns were invalid, I just have heard the Pew Trust's have a good reputation.

The other thing is polls can always be wrong depending on so many things, sample size, selection bias etc.

I really just posted the video because I thought it was an interesting perspective from a "moderate" Muslim (I guess some Muslims would say she is radical, all perspective), which is a voice underrepresented in the media. It is akin, in my opinion, to the fight that moderate's of all religions face. It's amazing how people will use religion to justify violence. As you yourself illuminated, there are terrorists and extremists from all major religions. The Troubles in Ireland, extremist Jew's settling in Palestinian territory and fucking everything up, Hindu's even!

Which makes me ask the question, and I am curious to all poster's opinions; Are these people (extremists) psycho/sociopaths using the religion to act out on their homicidal fantasies? Or just the unfortunate product of brainwashing by charismatic leaders and poor education? Even in their analysis in the video, they found most "Islamists" would not blow themselves or others up, which leads me to believe the radicals are often mentally ill.

Or am I projecting?

 

[member 1013]

Also @Sweat Tea I have unfortunately been burned by sources I thought to be reliable... Remember the story about the Turkish soccer fans I posted? And then it came out they were cheering for the victims of the attack, whom they considered martyrs? That article was from one of my county's top newspapers, and they still haven't issued any sort of retraction lol.

 

[Lord Vutulaki]

Also @Sweat Tea I have unfortunately been burned by sources I thought to be reliable... Remember the story about the Turkish soccer fans I posted? And then it came out they were cheering for the victims of the attack, whom they considered martyrs? That article was from one of my county's top newspapers, and they still haven't issued any sort of retraction lol.

Yeah mate the world is fucked, the info we receive is all shady AF, I guess we can only work with what we can get our hands on and then drill down into the info (corporate talk) and take what is useful and discard the rest (Jeet Kun Do talk)

Good video, thanks for posting, given the presenter is a practicing muslim herself lends a shit load of weight to it.

 

[Leigh]

Whilst those numbers are alarming, I think they can be viewed in different contexts.

The third circle, IMHO, applies to most religious people. Here is a personal anecdote to explain my point.

My former boss and his wife are Christians. We are friends and my wife and I attend some of their church functions. His wife is a RE teacher and we had a discussion on religion one time. I told her that I thought the biblical God was horrible and a huge mass murderer; after all, he killed everything on the planet except for Noah's family and 2 of every animal. As a middle class white English school teacher, she stated, "Well they deserved it for turning away from God."

In her mind, people who don't worship her God deserve to die! That is very scary. Now that is one person and she is not actively trying to get people killed but at the very least, a vast majority of religious people who believe in a hell also believe that non believers deserve to go there, to be tortured FOR EVER.

In my mind, most religious people are in the outer circle.

This post isn't to trivialise the message in the video. Islam has some serious problems and I'd like to see more done to address it as the cancer it is. However, I don't think this should be restricted to Islam. I'd like to see all religious teachings subjected to review. The UK and Australia have laws against religious based hate speech. They are used to prevent attacks on specific religions but I'd like to see them enforced to prevent the religious preaching their nonsense.

 

[member 1013]

@Leigh just put a jihad on religion!

 

[Leigh]

@Leigh just put a jihad on religion!

To be clear, I support freedom of religion. I don't support indoctrination or hate speech and that includes saying non believers should go to hell.

 

[Punch]

To be clear, I support freedom of religion. I don't support indoctrination or hate speech and that includes saying non believers should go to hell.

You have talked to a lot of shitty hypocritical religious people then homie. A truly good religious person should try their best to love one another, not condemn one another.

 

[ThatOneDude]

To be clear, I support freedom of religion. I don't support indoctrination or hate speech and that includes saying non believers should go to hell.

@Leigh is going to heeeeellllllllll

 

[Leigh]

You have talked to a lot of shitty hypocritical religious people then homie. A truly good religious person should try their best to love one another, not condemn one another.

Well, have you read the books they follow? Smite this, stone that, plagues all round. See that woman there? Pillar of salt.

You love god? Prove it.....by killing your son. And this other guy who loves God. He has to prove it to the devil (wtf?) by having his family, health and livelihood destroyed.

Anyone you reads that and still worships their god should most definitely be on some kind of register.

 

[Punch]

Well, have you read the books they follow? Smite this, stone that, plagues all round. See that woman there? Pillar of salt.

You love god? Prove it.....by killing your son. And this other guy who loves God. He has to prove it to the devil (wtf?) by having his family, health and livelihood destroyed.

Anyone you reads that and still worships their god should most definitely be on some kind of register.

So, if someone believes differently, they should be on a list? That's not cool.

 

[Leigh]

So, if someone believes differently, they should be on a list? That's not cool.

We're all entitled to our opinions. They worship a monster and want me to burn forever, I think they should monitored. Seems very reasonable.

 

[Punch]

We're all entitled to our opinions. They worship a monster and want me to burn forever, I think they should monitored. Seems very reasonable.

Wanna pin stars on 'em for monitoring? Slippery ass slope there.

 

[Punch]

We're all entitled to our opinions. They worship a monster and want me to burn forever, I think they should monitored. Seems very reasonable.

No good person, religious or not would wish genuine harm on others.

And for the record you might see me joke around about messing people up from time to time, but that's all it is: a joke.

 

[Leigh]

No good person, religious or not would wish genuine harm on others.

And for the record you might see me joke around about messing people up from time to time, but that's all it is: a joke.

I agree. A good person does not wish harm on others. That pretty much rules out following mist major religions.

 

[Punch]

I agree. A good person does not wish harm on others. That pretty much rules out following mist major religions.

Any system that is in place long enough will get hacked. Religion is no exception. For example take Catholicism, they went from preaching a message of love to raping little boys. Doesn't get much more evil than that.

It doesn't mean that the message is evil, it just means that there are people messing everything up for everyone else.

 

[Leigh]

Any system that is in place long enough will get hacked. Religion is no exception. For example take Catholicism, they went from preaching a message of love to raping little boys. Doesn't get much more evil than that.

It doesn't mean that the message is evil, it just means that there are people messing everything up for everyone else.

The message of Catholicism is definitely evil. Would you like me to repeat the heinous acts that the god of their Bible has committed?