King Mo-If Conor McGregor was black he'd be hated (New Podcast w/ Mo, Scoggins vs Borg, Rosa

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Everyone in the states and possibly the Anglophone world wants the highest social status there is, that of the victim.
 

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Come on, guys. Why do you have a problem with this?

Haven't listened, but you know the headline statement is true. Is there really any possibility in your mind that it isn't?

Basically, Mo's identity is probably the reason most people who hate him hate him.

I hate everybody who is genuinely disrespectful. It's pretty obvious to me that the people who train with him, people who are in his inner circle, would likely speak highly of him as a fellow human, etc.

So if you hate him, let's be real, it's probably a proof that he's got a valid point.
 

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Come on, guys. Why do you have a problem with this?

Haven't listened, but you know the headline statement is true. Is there really any possibility in your mind that it isn't?

Basically, Mo's identity is probably the reason most people who hate him hate him.

I hate everybody who is genuinely disrespectful. It's pretty obvious to me that the people who train with him, people who are in his inner circle, would likely speak highly of him as a fellow human, etc.

So if you hate him, let's be real, it's probably a proof that he's got a valid point.
I think people have an exception about it because not everyone is racist. Yes, some people might hate a black Mcgregor, but some people hate Mcgregor already as well. There likely would be more haters than there is currently, lets be real, but don't tar everyone with the same brush.

If another fighter comes along and is knocking people out in the 1st round, declaring themselves as the best and different from what has come from before, then there are many people that are going to be fans of that guy, regardless of colour.
 

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Dear TMMAC Forumers (Did I just make up that word ? If I did, I'm laying claim to it. Dibbs!!!),

I haven't listened to the podcast, but the statement is true. Case in point: Jon Jones. Probably the best Mixed Martial Artist ever. People hated that kid for being arrogant, being flashy, being disrespectful to his opponents...Sound familiar? It's ok for Connor & the Diaz Bros. to show up guys during fights, but people had strokes when Anderson Silva did it. Same thing happened to Floyd Mayweather in boxing. Why can't Mighty Mouse pull ratings, but Dillishaw can? I've heard people say its a size thing, but is it REALLY? That 2 inches & 10 pounds make that much of a difference? I'm not calling anyone a racist, but things seem more than just coincidence when seen from a minority angle. By the way, I'm not hating on Connor. I love the kid. I'm just hitting you with facts. And to put the "Wins & KO's equal popularity" angle to bed, I give you Chael Sonnen. One of the most popular fighters & MMA's best trash talker in recent memory. He had a huge following. He also had a 9 win - 6 loss record in his last 15 fights. Of those 9 wins, 6 were by decision, with the only KO happening in Strike Force over Kyacey Uscola in 2007. Why was he such a big draw?

Before you dismiss what these guys are saying as simple race baiting, maybe take a look at it from their point of view.

Respectfully,
Random Black dude
 

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Dear TMMAC Forumers (Did I just make up that word ? If I did, I'm laying claim to it. Dibbs!!!),

I haven't listened to the podcast, but the statement is true. Case in point: Jon Jones. Probably the best Mixed Martial Artist ever. People hated that kid for being arrogant, being flashy, being disrespectful to his opponents...Sound familiar? It's ok for Connor & the Diaz Bros. to show up guys during fights, but people had strokes when Anderson Silva did it. Same thing happened to Floyd Mayweather in boxing. Why can't Mighty Mouse pull ratings, but Dillishaw can? I've heard people say its a size thing, but is it REALLY? That 2 inches & 10 pounds make that much of a difference? I'm not calling anyone a racist, but things seem more than just coincidence when seen from a minority angle. By the way, I'm not hating on Connor. I love the kid. I'm just hitting you with facts. And to put the "Wins & KO's equal popularity" angle to bed, I give you Chael Sonnen. One of the most popular fighters & MMA's best trash talker in recent memory. He had a huge following. He also had a 9 win - 6 loss record in his last 15 fights. Of those 9 wins, 6 were by decision, with the only KO happening in Strike Force over Kyacey Uscola in 2007. Why was he such a big draw?

Before you dismiss what these guys are saying as simple race baiting, maybe take a look at it from their point of view.

Respectfully,
Random Black dude
Dillashaw is hardly a draw. Lots and lots of people hate Chael Sonnen
 

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Dear TMMAC Forumers (Did I just make up that word ? If I did, I'm laying claim to it. Dibbs!!!),

I haven't listened to the podcast, but the statement is true. Case in point: Jon Jones. Probably the best Mixed Martial Artist ever. People hated that kid for being arrogant, being flashy, being disrespectful to his opponents...Sound familiar? It's ok for Connor & the Diaz Bros. to show up guys during fights, but people had strokes when Anderson Silva did it. Same thing happened to Floyd Mayweather in boxing. Why can't Mighty Mouse pull ratings, but Dillishaw can? I've heard people say its a size thing, but is it REALLY? That 2 inches & 10 pounds make that much of a difference? I'm not calling anyone a racist, but things seem more than just coincidence when seen from a minority angle. By the way, I'm not hating on Connor. I love the kid. I'm just hitting you with facts. And to put the "Wins & KO's equal popularity" angle to bed, I give you Chael Sonnen. One of the most popular fighters & MMA's best trash talker in recent memory. He had a huge following. He also had a 9 win - 6 loss record in his last 15 fights. Of those 9 wins, 6 were by decision, with the only KO happening in Strike Force over Kyacey Uscola in 2007. Why was he such a big draw?

Before you dismiss what these guys are saying as simple race baiting, maybe take a look at it from their point of view.

Respectfully,
Random Black dude
MM and Dillashaw both don't draw, they don't put Dillashaw on PPV for a reason. Some people are fans of Jon Jones, regardless of what his attitude is. Yet, that said, Jon Jones set himself up by not being himself, I don't think you can level that criticism at Conor or the Diaz bros. Anderson Silva was a big star and draw, eventually, even if he hardly spoke English, but you do have a point about the criticism for taunting, there does seem to be some double standard there.

Rashad Evans got criticized for his taunting as well, but Diaz would get a pass. I would say that people are beginning to understand that it is part of a fight and being less critical of Conor, in this respect, because of it. However, the proof will be in the pudding when a black fighter does it successfully too, but maybe that is wishful thinking.

Floyd is hated for his domestic abuse convictions and cultivating a heel role. Do you remember his making it rain video clips, during the depths of the recession with people losing their jobs and houses? Great marketing, but he was taking a certain angle there and looking for a certain response.

I'm not naive enough to say that race does not play a factor, it absolutely does, and has been pandered to in combat sports forever. However, I don't think it is as simple as saying that if Mcgregor was black he would be hated. Lets say a black South African with all the same skills Mcgregor has - talent on the mic, stand up skills, KO power, string of devastating wins, galvanized country behind him - came along, he might not hit the same heights as Mcgregor, but to say he would be hated is a bit far.
 
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I think all too often, it's easier for people to accept race as a the reason for problem_x, as opposed to some insightful nuanced point of view that is a bit more complex, involving several characteristics and behavioral patterns of not just that individual but the people judging him.
 

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Ronda Rousey is a better example of race playing a large factor. If she was black, no way in hell does she get the same exposure.
 

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Dillashaw is hardly a draw. Lots and lots of people hate Chael Sonnen
I'm sure they do, but Chael was a legit star in the UFC. Show me a black dude with a similar record & fan following. Popularity = Money in MMA. Trash talk = Popularity, but not for everybody. Seems like the brothas are getting a different label when they trash talk. That's all I'm saying.
 

Darqnezz

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Ronda Rousey is a better example of race playing a large factor. If she was black, no way in hell does she get the same exposure.
Exactly. And you have the female angle as well. She even caught a lot of shit for saying the same things that male fighters said.
 

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I'm sure they do, but Chael was a legit star in the UFC. Show me a black dude with a similar record & fan following. Popularity = Money in MMA. Trash talk = Popularity, but not for everybody. Seems like the brothas are getting a different label when they trash talk. That's all I'm saying.
Chael was a caricature. An exaggerated personality purely for entertainment, ala WWE. Bob Sapp was a little exaggerated in his personality and mma fans love him as well (at least those around during Pride).

EDIT: to be clear, people hated Chael. But there were some people who loved him for his ridiculousness. So it's not like he was universally liked. Just like with Mayweather, just like with Jones, and just like with McGregor.
 

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I'm sure they do, but Chael was a legit star in the UFC. Show me a black dude with a similar record & fan following. Popularity = Money in MMA. Trash talk = Popularity, but not for everybody. Seems like the brothas are getting a different label when they trash talk. That's all I'm saying.
Rampage?
 

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Tyson, Muhammed Ali, proof that he is wrong. These are well respected personalities and legends in combat sports. And these gentlemen were controversial in behavior to put it mildly. But they were adored, and now celebrated as the best in the business. In fact, I can't think of a white dude surpassing these legends.

It is easy to throw it on race, that is the easy thing to do. It's much harder to accept that the world has come a long way when it comes to acceptance and tolerance. Basketball, same deal. The greats imo are all black, but the fact that they are doesn't even cross my mind.

There are still people left that think in terms of race, and I hope that becomes less and less. That doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge there are differences in how we are treated and judged by society, but that goes for all minorities and majorities.

Jones can be a huge star, if he starts being his true self. The talent is already there. Jones problem was that he was not honest with his fans and the public, by creating this false persona that somehow was perfect in behavior. I think people have no problem embracing a black, or any other hero in their resepctive sports.
 

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I'm sure they do, but Chael was a legit star in the UFC. Show me a black dude with a similar record & fan following. Popularity = Money in MMA. Trash talk = Popularity, but not for everybody. Seems like the brothas are getting a different label when they trash talk. That's all I'm saying.
The king of trash talk is black. McGregor gets compared with a black man who set the standard for all.
 

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Tyson, Muhammed Ali, proof that he is wrong. These are well respected personalities and legends in combat sports. And these gentlemen were controversial in behavior to put it mildly. But they were adored, and now celebrated as the best in the business. In fact, I can't think of a white dude surpassing these legends.

It is easy to throw it on race, that is the easy thing to do. It's much harder to accept that the world has come a long way when it comes to acceptance and tolerance. Basketball, same deal. The greats imo are all black, but the fact that they are doesn't even cross my mind.

There are still people left that think in terms of race, and I hope that becomes less and less. That doesn't mean we shouldn't acknowledge there are differences in how we are treated and judged by society, but that goes for all minorities and majorities.

Jones can be a huge star, if he starts being his true self. The talent is already there. Jones problem was that he was not honest with his fans and the public, by creating this false persona that somehow was perfect in behavior. I think people have no problem embracing a black, or any other hero in their resepctive sports.
Both larger than life sport heroes. Both black & outspoken. Both sent to prison :openmouth:. I'm not saying that things in terms of race relations haven't improved. I'm just saying that these athletes have a point.
 
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No, i wouldn't hate Cmac if he was black. Hating someone over that is idiotic.
 

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Both larger than life sport heroes. Both black & outspoken. Both sent to prison :openmouth:. I'm not saying that things in terms of race relations haven't improved. I'm just saying that these athletes have a point.
Just offering a perspective. One can always say what if. What if Michael Jordan was white? Lebron James Asian? The more people stop wondering about that stuff, the sooner it will go away. The Irish were considered "black" once after all. It is up to stop this line of thinking. And everytime someone does, it divides and takes away from the athlete's accomplishments.

If Jon Jones were white, he would be hated as well. That is because of his behavior outside the cage, not because of his skin color. But then again, there are always a few, who do give race a second thought. The struggle depicted by Lawal would be more acurate, if he was referring to the common man. Unfortunately, for the common folk, there is a much bigger issue regarding racial profiling and oppertunities.

The discussion is good if the "what if" scenario is debated, answered, rather than only asked.
 

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Weird because I kinda like Mo more than Conor (although I like them both). I just think Mo is more real with his talk, meaning he speaks on emotion (which I like)...whereas Conor's is calculated and done to generate attention (and buys).
 

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Nice, but Rampage was a champion. 10-5 in his last 15 with 5 KO's. Plus he has 5 title fights in that span with 3 championship wins. Sonnen shouldn't even be mentioned in the same breath :)
I don't think there has been a black guy with Sonnen's skills on the mic to compare like for like though.