I dont care about PEDs

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dacofty

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I think the NSAC is half adopted it but alot AC go by it 100%. Keep in mind the corruption of the NSAC. I am sure they are on board with it as well unless something comes up they dont like then they throw the we go by some of it.

The sticking point is the money.
 

Zeph

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If the sport wants to move into the mainstream, then it has to do its utmost to stamp out PED use and depending on a few variables it seems like the UFC are committed to the attempt with what they announced a while back. Rightly or wrongly, the sport is already viewed as almost barbaric by a large section of society and if PED's are not curtailed, then it would put the sport in a very bad light. New York hasn't even legalized MMA yet, in France it is illegal and Melbourne(Victoria) only just lifted a ban on the cage.

There are many people uneducated about the sport who oppose it at every chance they can get and already view it as human cockfighting. To allow PED use would only give them more fuel, as it would give the impression of tattooed criminals, using drugs which the Olympics - the highest sporting standard in the world - bans, to cause bodily harm to each other, while the masses of Rome scream and shout in attendance. It isn't a good look and would hurt the sport, not only in legal areas like previously mentioned, but in other areas as well.

Like sponsors, many sponsors would pull out if the sport started to be viewed as more barbaric than it already is, or in the fear that their sponsored fighter might piss hot, not sponsor in the first place. Which would lead to smaller paychecks and less exposure, which in turn lead to less people taking up the sport in the first place. We are not far removed from the best MMA organization folding, because of it losing its main source of income due to public perception of a scandal. Now I am not suggesting that the UFC is close to or about to fold, but it could happen to other smaller orgs and without them the sport becomes strangled in infancy. The Tour De France lost a lot of sponsorship in the wake of their PED scandal and teams are still struggling to find them.
 

Mad Dog

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My thing with PEDs is what are the long term issues with guys that use them. Are they really hurting their health or not?

The reason I think that matters is that making them legal will force those that don't want to use them feel they have to use them also.

So the question of long term health becomes an issue. I would hate to force guys into doing something that hurts their health later.

I look at guys like Coleman and wonder how much his PED use effected his current health.
 

MMAHAWK

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you forgot Anderson,Sonnen, storm, and Franca
nevermind didnt see the link
 

Shy Guy

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I'm on both sides of this.

As a fan, it's frustrating to see fights cancelled and guys suspended. I also don't like not knowing who is using and who isn't. If there was no testing, we could just assume everyone is using and the playing field is even.

As someone who trains with pros and amateurs and is a part of their camps, I don't want it in the sport. If I found out that one of my training partners were using, I would be pissed. I'm not interested in getting punched around in sparring by guys who are using.
 
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La Paix

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you forgot Anderson,Sonnen, storm, and Franca
nevermind didnt see the link
Ya I just gave up and put the link up. Also I included some that weren't actually busted I think but its not a hard to guess.
 

Anno Domini

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Well i see what your saying. That's why i think there should be special fight bouts. The 2 opponents take the same PED's just to keep it fair. And test them right before the fight just to double check. It's not cool when someone clean fights a dirty fighter.

Although i do enjoy when the person cheating loses the fight, gets caught and penalized haha.
 

La Paix

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My thing with PEDs is what are the long term issues with guys that use them. Are they really hurting their health or not?

The reason I think that matters is that making them legal will force those that don't want to use them feel they have to use them also.

So the question of long term health becomes an issue. I would hate to force guys into doing something that hurts their health later.

I look at guys like Coleman and wonder how much his PED use effected his current health.
Good post but I don't think everybody would be forced to use them if the ban was lifted. I'm sure PEDs do a lot but if you can't fight it can only take you so far. Now its the guys like Anderson (assuming he's been dirty a while) that are a scary combo of skills and PEDs
 

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That gif of Coleman falling off the ropes never gets old.
 

Greek777

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"If the sport wants to move into the mainstream"

This has been said for MANY years. The UFC has reached it's biggest point n the US mainstream. Like boxing, WWE, etc, it will always be a big time money maker. It'll attract casual fan interest when there are big time fights with storylines people can relate to.

But it's not exactly gonna become a national sport like the NFL/MLB, broadcasted every day on hundreds of channels, paying hundreds of millions to fighters, etc. It's fighting. Most people don't understand it, nor do they care to. Fighting, even boxing, is not something a ton of people care about. A few million in the US, yes, but there are 300+ million in this country alone.

It's the prize fight game. It's always been this way. The sport is 1000000x more mainstream right now than anyone could've imagined 12-13 years ago. Combat sports peaked in the 60s and 70s in America as far as mainstream visibility and coverage. The UFC can still grow, increase buy rates, ticket sales etc. But MMA will never be on the level of soccer, football, baseball etc.. It's crazy to think so. Not saying you are crazy - just that it's silly to hear that said by Dana, Lorenzo.

It's a fight. Only so many people can relate, usually males between 18-34, sometimes older.

BTW I'm not saying this to shit on MMA. I LOVEEEE MMA and combat sports period are my entire life from when I wake up til when I sleep, for over a decade. I just know that there is a certain limit to the popularity of fighting. Fights like Jones/DC where there is a lot at stake, a lot of drama (the brawl and insults).. will ALWAYS pique the public interest, generate ESPN coverage, etc. Mayweather is a rare exception, and until a guy comes around like him or an Oscar De La Hoya in either MMA OR boxing - a fighter who transcends the sport, is a big part of pop culture, etc.. We will see 900-1 mil buys as the absolute ceiling for a UFC show unless they stack it with a bunch of huge draws.

Anyway just a rant. But I always felt MMA was way way bigger than anyone expected, and it can't really get much more "mainstream" than it s in America. A single fighter, yes. But the sport itself, nope. Problem is, the UFC thinks it's bigger/more important than any fighter it has, which is why I don't think we will see guys like a Mayweather, Oscar, etc... Rise to the same heights in MMA that they can in boxing, as far as visibility and popularity wise. Boxing is about the individual. Sadly, MMA right now is about the organization, and the individuals are seen as expendable.

Brock was the closest thing MMA had in modern times/in America to that type of fighter. And his popularity was made outside of MMA. It's going to be really hard for any one MMA fighter to capture that kind of attention in the US. Even Jon Jones, an absolute phenom athlete who dominates everyone, has barely broken 500k buys more than a few times. IF the fight with DC happened in September when it was supposed to, shortly after the brawl, it probably would've done a mil +, but because it was delayed it did around 800.

Anyway.. rant over.. There is just, kind of a ceiling to MMA's popularity in the US, and honestly the PED issue isn't really gonna change that much. It won't help the sport become more mainstream if they are cleaned up, nor will it shrink if the problems keep growing.
 

Ryann Von Doom

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I care.

I've said this before but legalizing PEDS wont create an even playing field. The people with the most money will get the best ones.

Not to mention how do you even promote using drugs that have long term medical implications to kids?
Its already happening, get your head out of the sand.
 

Zeph

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"If the sport wants to move into the mainstream"

This has been said for MANY years. The UFC has reached it's biggest point n the US mainstream. Like boxing, WWE, etc, it will always be a big time money maker. It'll attract casual fan interest when there are big time fights with storylines people can relate to.

But it's not exactly gonna become a national sport like the NFL/MLB, broadcasted every day on hundreds of channels, paying hundreds of millions to fighters, etc. It's fighting. Most people don't understand it, nor do they care to. Fighting, even boxing, is not something a ton of people care about. A few million in the US, yes, but there are 300+ million in this country alone.

It's the prize fight game. It's always been this way. The sport is 1000000x more mainstream right now than anyone could've imagined 12-13 years ago. Combat sports peaked in the 60s and 70s in America as far as mainstream visibility and coverage. The UFC can still grow, increase buy rates, ticket sales etc. But MMA will never be on the level of soccer, football, baseball etc.. It's crazy to think so. Not saying you are crazy - just that it's silly to hear that said by Dana, Lorenzo.

It's a fight. Only so many people can relate, usually males between 18-34, sometimes older.

BTW I'm not saying this to shit on MMA. I LOVEEEE MMA and combat sports period are my entire life from when I wake up til when I sleep, for over a decade. I just know that there is a certain limit to the popularity of fighting. Fights like Jones/DC where there is a lot at stake, a lot of drama (the brawl and insults).. will ALWAYS pique the public interest, generate ESPN coverage, etc. Mayweather is a rare exception, and until a guy comes around like him or an Oscar De La Hoya in either MMA OR boxing - a fighter who transcends the sport, is a big part of pop culture, etc.. We will see 900-1 mil buys as the absolute ceiling for a UFC show unless they stack it with a bunch of huge draws.

Anyway just a rant. But I always felt MMA was way way bigger than anyone expected, and it can't really get much more "mainstream" than it s in America. A single fighter, yes. But the sport itself, nope. Problem is, the UFC thinks it's bigger/more important than any fighter it has, which is why I don't think we will see guys like a Mayweather, Oscar, etc... Rise to the same heights in MMA that they can in boxing, as far as visibility and popularity wise. Boxing is about the individual. Sadly, MMA right now is about the organization, and the individuals are seen as expendable.

Brock was the closest thing MMA had in modern times/in America to that type of fighter. And his popularity was made outside of MMA. It's going to be really hard for any one MMA fighter to capture that kind of attention in the US. Even Jon Jones, an absolute phenom athlete who dominates everyone, has barely broken 500k buys more than a few times. IF the fight with DC happened in September when it was supposed to, shortly after the brawl, it probably would've done a mil +, but because it was delayed it did around 800.

Anyway.. rant over.. There is just, kind of a ceiling to MMA's popularity in the US, and honestly the PED issue isn't really gonna change that much. It won't help the sport become more mainstream if they are cleaned up, nor will it shrink if the problems keep growing.
MMA is still a very fringe sport in many parts of the world and PEDs only hurt it's ability to be accepted. Perhaps it is accepted in the US, but it still has the image of tattooed, meathead, thugs reveling in gratuitous violence in many places. If you add the perception that they are all on PEDs, then it just compounds the problem.
 

Cody Gibson

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As a fighter, I'm 100% in disagreement on this one. In my entire career as a fighter and in my college/youth wrestling career I've never taken a PED and it has been around me before. I make mistakes (insert Google Me Bitch joke here), but at the end of the day I represent my family, friends, and team and try to do so the best I can. PED's would really hurt some of the youth in my community that have looked up to me. On top of that, when I hang my hat up I'd like to look back and know that I did this the right way, regardless of how it all ends. I do think that PEDs are a problem in our sport, but I also think the media outlets who cover the sport blow it out of proportion a bit. I won't predict a % of UFC fighters who I think use, but I do think it's lower than a lot of people say. Maybe I'm naive. Who knows.
 

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As a fighter, I'm 100% in disagreement on this one. In my entire career as a fighter and in my college/youth wrestling career I've never taken a PED and it has been around me before. I make mistakes (insert Google Me Bitch joke here), but at the end of the day I represent my family, friends, and team and try to do so the best I can. PED's would really hurt some of the youth in my community that have looked up to me. On top of that, when I hang my hat up I'd like to look back and know that I did this the right way, regardless of how it all ends. I do think that PEDs are a problem in our sport, but I also think the media outlets who cover the sport blow it out of proportion a bit. I won't predict a % of UFC fighters who I think use, but I do think it's lower than a lot of people say. Maybe I'm naive. Who knows.
Good post my man. Nice to get a fighters perspective on things.