Im gonna give the Pom an E-Flogging when he comes out of hiding@Leigh is impervious to personal attacks. Your confirmation bias might give Emily hissy fits but I doubt it'd work on Leigh.
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I agree with all of itPlease tell me why I'm wrong?
Ok guys, I'm in a meeting all day so I can't post too much. I'll give a quick point to disagree with.Rainbow away mate doesnt bother me in the slightest, id do it myself for you if I could.
Pick the 3 points you most strongly disagree with and lets do this. If you would be so kind as to commence your rebuttal with "You are wrong and here's why" I would be delighted
You're making a couple of assumptions here. The first that I disagree with is that IQ testing is an accurate way to test someone's intellectual ability.
Secondly, even if it were accurate, the fact that some women ARE more intelligent than some men (as you acknowledge) justifies an effort to match intellectual performance.
Being told, "your demographic is slightly worse on average so trying to achieve equal performance is pointless" is pretty sad. I personally have achieved much more than I should have, so I know about punching above my weight.
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All good man work is work but I dont know if you agree that IQ testing is an accurate way of testing intelligence or not, please specify
I can pull up the data but IIRC the correlation between a higher than average IQ and a higher than average income (just one measure of performance) is something like 0.6, 0.00 being none and 0.10 being a perfect correlation for starters but I wont go on since I dnt know where you stand here.
"your demographic is slightly worse on average so trying to achieve equal performance is pointless"
I never said/meant that, Im on daddy duties at the moment so please confirm the first point and Ill expand, once your in bed meetings re concluded of course
Got a lunch break.All good man work is work but I dont know if you agree that IQ testing is an accurate way of testing intelligence or not, please specify
I can pull up the data but IIRC the correlation between a higher than average IQ and a higher than average income (just one measure of performance) is something like 0.6, 0.00 being none and 0.10 being a perfect correlation for starters but I wont go on since I dnt know where you stand here.
"your demographic is slightly worse on average so trying to achieve equal performance is pointless"
I never said/meant that, Im on daddy duties at the moment so please confirm the first point and Ill expand, once your in bed meetings re concluded of course
I am saying that IQ testing does NOT necessarily reflect intelligence, especially in the context you are using it. Socioeconomic factors play a huge part. Additionally, you can improve your performance on IQ tests through practise, as many use similar (or even the same) questions. Knowing whether a right handed glove can be turned inside out and worn on the left hand is a pretty crude way to measure intelligence.
Black people score lower than whites on IQ tests ON AVERAGE. Asians score higher. Your argument extrapolates to the point that whites shouldn't push to try to be intellectual equals of Asians, simply because of averages. Variations with race and within gender are FAR greater than variations between races and genders. There are geniuses and morons in all categories.
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Blacks/whites/asians score differently due to cultural differences between them.
Males and females raised in identical settings score differently.
Are males and females raised identically in identical settings?
Even if they are (they're not), are IQ tests a valid way to measure intelligence?
In most developed western countries they are educated in settings which lean in the females favor.
IQ tests while not perfect are the best manner we have to measure intellect.
Educated and raised are two different things.
I disagree that IQ tests are the best way to measure intelligence. There is so much more to intelligence than solving puzzles. Both my ex wife and my brother score over 140 yet both are unemployed, in debt and on benefits due to poor life decisions.
How are boys and girls raised differently that would cause them to score differently on IQ tests?
Also most IQ tests measure short-term memory, analytical thinking, mathematical ability and spatial recognition. I think the children's wisc test measures verbal intelligence as well.
You have already accepted that social factors can influence IQ test scores. Males and females have different social circumstances and attitudes.
Eg, men don't have to worry about getting pregnant. They are encouraged socially to strive towards leadership. Women with domestic skills are considered more attractive.
Etc
If women having to worry about pregnancy lowers their intellectual ceiling as you suggest then my point is proven.
There's nothing we can do about it. It's not a societal issue its a biological reality.
Feminism wants a handy cap sticker for fulfilling a perfectly healthy biological process.
Motherhood /career
I'm not suggesting it lowers their intellectual ceiling, I'm suggesting that in some cases (not all) it may affect their ability to score on IQ tests compared to men, which would influence averages. It does NOT mean a woman cannot be an intellectual equal (or superior) to some men.If women having to worry about pregnancy lowers their intellectual ceiling as you suggest then my point is proven.
There's nothing we can do about it. It's not a societal issue its a biological reality.
Feminism wants a handy cap sticker for fulfilling a perfectly healthy biological process.
Motherhood /career
okay were talking about two different things, what I am saying is that more men place at the top end of the IQ score band than women, sorry I mislead you but the average score for men and women are about the same, im talking about those who are the elite.
Its probably why men have led every single culture on earth since we stood upright but unfortunately this is all they managed with their "superior intuition and multi skiling abilities"
List of matrilineal or matrilocal societies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I maintain that more men significantly more are better suited to vocations which require an elite (positive outlier) level of intelligence, not just intellect but generally being more cerebral than females definitely provides another edge.
Edit- I didnt mislead you I mislead myself- see below.
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Does 4 iq points really explain that better than commonly weighing 50-100% more than the fairer sex?
The physical difference between the sexes is that only one can generally murder the other one with their bare hands.
When thinking back over the history of humanity, which is largely suffering and barbarism, I have to imagine that such physicality is the reason for such patriarchal society structures.
I think that size difference only holds true in certain cultures, what about SEA, E Asia (prior to development), South Asia, Polynesia..... the difference in BW between men and women in those societies isnt that great.
Also teamwork, ever watched a cooking contents between male and female teams? we had a long running one here and the males ALWAYS beat the females who would infight the second something went wrong, get bitchy with each other etc
Look at how many females prefer male managers in the workplace vs the opposite.
Im not trying to be sexist here
Asian men may have been smaller than European men but they were still vastly bigger and stronger than Asian women.
Another biological factor is reproduction. Men have a larger tendency towards polygamy, as they can replicate their genes with multiple partners simultaneously. Women trend towards hypergamy; they have to be more selective in a mate to give their genes the best chance of survival. Women are more attracted to leaders ("alpha males") and so it is possible that men have developed those traits over time more than women.
None of that means that women CAN'T lead or that they are less intelligent.
Yet again, IQ test scores are not necessarily reflective of true intellectual capacity. And yet again, even if it were, the vast spread of scores across both genders means that applying the characteristics of a small sample size or of the averages of a gender to every individual of that gender is logically flawed.
You don't seem to have a good grasp of statistical analysis. That's ok, I won't blame your gender for it, as there are other members of your gender at the other end of the spectrum.
Top 10 People With The Highest IQ Ever Recorded - PEI Magazine
No black people in the top 10, but there are 2 women. What do your analytical skills conclude from that data?
No black people in the top 10, but there are 2 women. What do your analytical skills conclude from that data?
That list is shit mate, Divinchi? based on speculation? Hawkins makes the list? at 160?
Anyway lets say the list is valid, top 5 are male, pretty much backs my figures right?
I never said shit about black people, we are talking about IQ's here broseph
Backs your figures that the top IQ test scorers are men. Doesn't back your conclusions.
I know you haven't mentioned black people. I am asking you what conclusions you draw from the fact that none in the top 10 are black, based on your method of analysis.
I can see that.
1. Top IQ scorers are men and there is a positive correlation between a desirable level of intelligence and success. Do you not agree?
2. Black people are both male and female.
Your turn
1) I agree with that statement. I do not agree that IQ score = desirable level of intelligence and you can't predict every individual's goals for success.
2) There are no black men in the top 10. What conclusions do you draw from that?
1) I do not agree that IQ score = desirable level of intelligence and you can't predict every individual's goals for success. Okay I cant argue with that due to a lack of premise lets not lose our sense of fair play here.
"2) There are no black men in the top 10. What conclusions do you draw from that?
Climate, location, overabundance of resources, outside interference*
*Into the group you chose to create remember race is social gender is biologic. Your words
"2) There are no black men in the top 10. What conclusions do you draw from that?
Climate, location, overabundance of resources, outside interference*
*Into the group you chose to create remember race is social gender is biologic. Your words
1) What I am saying is that whilst I agree that intelligence probably correlates roughly with success (although external factors will play a huge part), not everyone's primary goal is to be rich and run a big business. Determining success is not easy. And I don't agree that IQ scores accurately reflect someone's ability to be successful.
2) So we agree that external factors can influence IQ scores. Then why are you using them definitively?