A merger would definitely be interesting.
Rory McDonald on MMAHour, Free Agency Announcment
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So if you had to ballpark a number- how well do you think Benson vs Koreshkov will do?
Hmm... that's a good question. I'd bet it does less than the Kimbo cards.
The sponsorship money could elevate whatever bellator offers by a substantial sum, so even if bellator came in at a low $70k/$70k, he may be able to add another $100k to that. On top of that, bellator won't come in low. They may not go all in on him, but they know he's worth a lot and won't insult him with a bs offer. Ufc, if they let him test free agency, is stupid because they simply cannot match the sponsorship money (being that it is an unknown and sky is the limit).
Kimbo vs Shamrock averaged 1.58 and peaked at 2.1. Gracie vs Shamrock (with Kimbo as the co-main) averaged 2.5 and peaked at 2.7. So you're saying no more than 1.58 million viewers...?
It's depressing that the majority of UFC fans actually believe this bullshit rhetoric.
Listen to the interview. It sounded like he didn't even get paid that well for his last fight. Certainly no $1m bonus we all like to pretend every fighter gets after a FOTN. This was actually a top 3 FOAT, on one of the biggest cards...and they are making him suffer the embarrassment of free agency. A hall of famer who isn't even 30 yet.
If I were Coker, I would put a freak-show fight as co-main to every card. Case in point, Henderson vs Koreshkov, I would have Shaquille O'Neal fight Hong Man Choi. In the next card I'd get Tyson fight Bob Sapp in a kicboxing bout and then have Mitrione fight Kongo for the main event.
Let the crowd have a laugh and then have them watch a war at the main event. You can't wait for Kimbo each and every time to save you when it comes to numbers.
Let the crowd have a laugh and then have them watch a war at the main event. You can't wait for Kimbo each and every time to save you when it comes to numbers.
Id like to hear your reasoning for Nate having to fight through his contract.
You're telling me Rory, who is one of the top performers, a constant title contender, who just pulled out one of the most amazing performances at the HIGHEST level and has always been a company man, for a multi billion $$$ company isnt worth $125k?
U fight cheap has a lot of people brainwashed. It doesn't bother you that money may makes more per fight than the entire roster does in a year?
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Let's boil this down to the bare elements.
How much money do his fights generate both before and after the fact?
What percentage of that money should he get?
Everything else is fucking noise.
You're welcome.
How much money do his fights generate both before and after the fact?
What percentage of that money should he get?
Everything else is fucking noise.
You're welcome.
Thank you and sorry I'm a little slow Can you can please break some things down for me?
How do we calculate money from with multiple fighters on a card?
I think fighters should get at the very least 50% of profit from ALL revenue.
How do we get u fight cheap to open up their books?
What is the fact?
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That's a question of economics.
If I were his manager, I would put in the time to get the numbers and start making comparisons and put a value on performance as a way to generate future interest (fan investment). But it's not my job and it would piss off the people I work for if I devoted a large part of my working day to figure this out. However, I am confident with regards to how we should determine a fighter's worth to a company.
Getting the UFC to pay fighters what they're really worth is impossible at this point because you have too many employees who are making careers off the fighters. Those people will command their salaries based on what that position can earn elsewhere, fighters don't have an elsewhere i.e. you have a lot of people "honestly" exploiting the people who do all the heavy lifting. You need a new organization that comes from the fighters leaving en masse. Ideally it would be a fighter co-op type organization. It's insane how many sycophants, snake-oil salesmen and cunts there are in this world.
MMA Hall of Fame? I agree- not yet, but definitely on his way.
UFC Hall of Fame? Sure. Stephan Bonnar is in. Jon Anik is probably getting in next week.
I never said that I like this situation, or that it doesn't bother me. I actually have said a bunch of times that I would rather it not be this way. Rory is absolutely worth $125k a year. He is not worth $125k a year of Bellator's money, though. That is too big of a chunk of their money for it to be financially viable. I am not brainwashed, and I think I have made that very clear.
I'm not backing the UFC, it's more of after they've done so much BS, this and that doesn't surprise me or gets me ememotional anymore.
-took Meishas title shot
-took about 2 years to strip Cruz of title (and Cruz is one my faves)
- made Cain vs Werdum 2 when it wasn't warranted
-offered Benson a BS offer
- still haven't given Edgdar a title shot
- wanted Holm to a year on the shelf
- signed the Reebok deal without consulting fighters
- Made Condit/Lawler when Carlos was coming of a loss to Woodley and a win over Alves
-Threw Jones under the bus after Jones declined the Sonnen fight.
-Could never promote Aldo and Demitrious even after being very dominant
-The UFC hasn't released the drug test for UFC 193 (they don't have too)
- there's more, I can't recall right now
this McDonald fiasco doesn't surprise me at all. I bet if you ask them, they will probably say "well he lacks personality". MMA still not a legit sport, if we had a player's union this crap wouldn't happen. Mark Raidmondi even said it's not a legit sport yet, so stuff like this is not surprising to me anyways and it doesn't mean it's right though.
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I am saying no more than averaging 1.58 and peaking at 2.7. There is a reason you picked the smallest number out of those. Dude, I am not attacking Bellator contrary to the way that you and
@PrideRules are reacting. We will see if they sign Rory. They have good talent, but Rory does not fit into their business model.
Well then sorry. I didn't realize you were one of the good guys. Please forgive my knee jerk reactions from the other website.
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Unfortunately this is true, no matter how good a fighter you are if you don't bring butts to seats or eyeballs to PPV you aren't getting the push. I think Rory vs. Robbie was an all time classic maybe top 3 fights ever but Rory and Robbie didn't sell that PPV it was Conner. Bottom line is I hope Rory gets paid and UFC would be foolish to let such great talent go, and I think they know that and ultimately I believe he will stay in the UFC.
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I would argue he is worth every penny of $125k. bellator use him to anchor and bring legitimacy to their ww division.
He could easily go on a dominating 4/5 fight win streak and call himself the top ww in the world with a Robbie loss.
Of course he could. Rory is one of my favorite fighters of all time. Have you read this entire thread?
Bellator cannot afford to invest such a large chunk of money on someone who isn't going to bring a TON of eyes to their screens. This is nothing against Rory or Bellator.
Alright I'll ask you the same question I asked the other guy- where do you put the odds at? I say 90 percent Rory stays with the UFC. What do you think?