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Morpheushasleftthebuilding

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looks fake to me, or he would be shot for filming it.
 

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I try to give cops the benefit of the doubt in these situations, but that was straight up murder.
 

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I try to give cops the benefit of the doubt in these situations, but that was straight up murder.
Agreed, I have respect for police force here in the UK and would give benefit of the doubt....but I'm hearing more and more police brutality stories by the day from US cops..which even makes it onto UK news.
 

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I try to give cops the benefit of the doubt in these situations, but that was straight up murder.
Also, see how we went back to pick up the taser.....then dropped it by his victim.....in the police report, he said the victim grabbed his taser and ran off......not only was this officer a murderer but if thats true, he's straight up corrupt. He won't enjoy his time in prison, holy shit.
 

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A lot of lazy cunts on the force today. That motherfucker did not want to chase down a 50+ year old black man, but also didn't want to walk away butthurt that the old fellow darted o n him..............so just riddle his backside with bullets and claim there was a fight over the taser. Even the excuse shows a lack of effort. Fuck him, I'm glad his life is ruined!
 

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How does taking his taser warrant being shot anyway?
 

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They should off the cop and put it on live leak. These fucking cops are getting out of control, it's insane.
 

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Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.

According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month.

This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US.

China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded 12 killings by law enforcement officers in 2014.

On average, US police kill people at a rate 70 times higher than any of the other first world countries as they “protect and serve” the American citizens.
 

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Just last month, in the 31 days of March, police in the United States killed more people than the UK did in the entire 20th century. In fact, it was twice as many; police in the UK only killed 52 people during that 100 year period.

According to the report by ThinkProgess, in March alone, 111 people died during police encounters — 36 more than the previous month.

This high number in March increased the average for police killings from every 8.5 hours, to nearly 1 police killing every 6.5 hours in the US.

China, whose population is 4 and 1/2 times the size of the United States, recorded 12 killings by law enforcement officers in 2014.

On average, US police kill people at a rate 70 times higher than any of the other first world countries as they “protect and serve” the American citizens.
The answer to this problem is to not hire people who do well on the entrance exams and little training. That'll fix it.
 

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The answer to this problem is to not hire people who do well on the entrance exams and little training. That'll fix it.
There needs to be a major overhaul of the rules governing deadly force and it's use by police officer. It seems they have an easier time shooting Americans than we did enemy combatants
 
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Add this to the list of many things that are severely fucked up around here. I've never been to police academy so I can't speak for the training but it certainly seems that use of weapon is something they ensure the officers are well versed in but negotiation, de-escalation, hand to hand combat/submission/defense, etc, etc is not as highly prioritized.

And put a gun in anyone's hand, get the adrenaline coursing through their veins and I can see how this could happen. I think it takes an extraordinary person with extraordinary training in both physical and more importantly mental/self-control to be able to react quickly in a more methodical way in a highly charged situation. Unless we've been in their shoes it's hard to say for sure but there are also nurses, ER docs, mental care workers, etc who deal with unruly, sometimes violent people face to face without the need of guns, not even tasers. Something is fundamentally wrong with the training IMO.
 

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Add this to the list of many things that are severely fucked up around here. I've never been to police academy so I can't speak for the training but it certainly seems that use of weapon is something they ensure the officers are well versed in but negotiation, de-escalation, hand to hand combat/submission/defense, etc, etc is not as highly prioritized.

And put a gun in anyone's hand, get the adrenaline coursing through their veins and I can see how this could happen. I think it takes an extraordinary person with extraordinary training in both physical and more importantly mental/self-control to be able to react quickly in a more methodical way in a highly charged situation. Unless we've been in their shoes it's hard to say for sure but there are also nurses, ER docs, mental care workers, etc who deal with unruly, sometimes violent people face to face without the need of guns, not even tasers. Something is fundamentally wrong with the training IMO.
Something is definitely wrong with the training. They also need to vet these cops better. Shooting someone should be the absolute last straw, if you can't physically control a majority of the people you come in contact with maybe you shouldn't be a cop.
 

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Add this to the list of many things that are severely fucked up around here. I've never been to police academy so I can't speak for the training but it certainly seems that use of weapon is something they ensure the officers are well versed in but negotiation, de-escalation, hand to hand combat/submission/defense, etc, etc is not as highly prioritized.

And put a gun in anyone's hand, get the adrenaline coursing through their veins and I can see how this could happen. I think it takes an extraordinary person with extraordinary training in both physical and more importantly mental/self-control to be able to react quickly in a more methodical way in a highly charged situation. Unless we've been in their shoes it's hard to say for sure but there are also nurses, ER docs, mental care workers, etc who deal with unruly, sometimes violent people face to face without the need of guns, not even tasers. Something is fundamentally wrong with the training IMO.
This is a good post. You make great points here. Theres an awesome book called Extreme Fear by Jeff Wise. He goes into detail about how fear, panic, and adrenaline completely shut down all logic and human instinct takes over, the "fight or flight" response.

I can't speak for the entire country, but I know a little bit about the police academy in New Jersey. 6 of my closest friends are police officers. Some are township police, state troopers, and NY/NJ Port Authority police. It is pretty damn difficult to get hired these days. Most require at least 60 college credits, but a bachelors degree is the norm now. You have to pass a written exam, a psychological exam, and physical test. The police will talk to all your references, visit your neighbors and ask about you, and come inspect your home. If you pass all that, you will then come in for an interview in front of a panel of people for further psychological evaluation.

Most of them spent around 6 months in the academy and 1 actually had a little less than 3 months for their academy. You'd be surprised how many people break mentally and can't complete the entire academy. They teach you hand to hand combat, krav maga type shit, and even some jiu jitsu. It is extremely hard to replicate in police training the dangers you are going to encounter in the real world. They are drilled and put through various scenarios like robberies and school shootings, but it is impossible to generate the kind of fear they will experience during the real thing. They practice shooting at targets, but they are not experiencing what its like to stare down someone with a real gun aimed right at you. And once you graduation from the academy, theres no more shooting practice required. They have to go once a year to get tested on their shooting and it's nothing difficult at all to pass. Also, none of them are allowed to carry tasers.

The case we are discussing in this thread is certainly disgusting. That appears to be straight up murder and theres no excuse. However, other recent instances where police have received criticism really bothers me.I just want to stress that all police officers are human. Humans are not perfect and everyone makes mistakes. As girlandcoconut @girlandcoconut pointed out in her post, we dont really know what we would do in those stressful situations. It's just absolutely impossible to be perfect in these life or death decisions you have to make in seconds. A few years ago, my friend and his partner were on duty and got called to a parking lot for some kind of disturbance. They got out of their car and saw a guy wielding a butcher knife talking to a woman. They drew their guns and told the guy to drop his weapon. He didn't listen and started walking towards them. At this point he was around 100 ft from them and then he started jogging towards them with the knife. The guy with the knife got to around 15 ft from them before he was shot and killed. My friend froze from the fear and couldn't fire his gun. If it wasn't for him being with his partner, he might be dead right now. He graduated the top of his academy class, won awards for his marksmanship, had been in multiple fights with perps, just an all around good cop, but in this one instance, there was nothing he could do. He went to desk duty afterwards and spoke to a psychiatrist twice a week, but in the end he was not able to overcome the fact that he wasn't capable of doing his job. He retired. His life is pretty fucked up now. Being a police officer has to be the damn toughest job in the world. I guess my point is that it's alot easier for us to look at videos and say what we would have done while sitting comfortably in our homes.
 

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Although what the policeman did was out of line, I do think its pretty crazy at how many people decide to fight policemen and try to steal their weapons.

This guy first ran, then it seemed like he was trying to steal the tazer at the start of the video. At that point i think the cop was in terror mode when the guy reached into his belt thinking he took his gun. Out of pure fright the guy probably started shooting. I still think its wrong but seriously.. the other dude should not have reached for the cops belt. Just run man, if you attack a cop like that out of fear the guy could do something crazy like shoot with all that adrenalin pumping.
 

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Although what the policeman did was out of line, I do think its pretty crazy at how many people decide to fight policemen and try to steal their weapons.

This guy first ran, then it seemed like he was trying to steal the tazer at the start of the video. At that point i think the cop was in terror mode when the guy reached into his belt thinking he took his gun. Out of pure fright the guy probably started shooting. I still think its wrong but seriously.. the other dude should not have reached for the cops belt. Just run man, if you attack a cop like that out of fear the guy could do something crazy like shoot with all that adrenalin pumping.
He shot an unarmed man in the back who was running away from him.
 

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From that video, no amount of excuses can justify shooting a fellow human being in the back when they are running away unarmed....the worst excuse is he's been in trouble with the police before for minor discretions......so what.....I myself have been in trouble in past for fighting as a stupid teen but that doesn't define me. This guy lost his life, his family lost a loved one because that copper was incompetent at his job, which brings into question the competence of not only him but his whole department.

The silver lining from such horrendous incidents is the chance to evolve police procedures, and question the program. The level of detachment from morality to shoot an unarmed human running away from you in the back is an horrifying indictment on the relationship between a community and its police department.
 

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man, I wish we could have used these excuses while being blown up, shot at, mortared and rocketed, having rpg's shot at us. if this is how these officers are reacting then their training sucks, plain and simple.
 

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They should off the cop and put it on live leak. These fucking cops are getting out of control, it's insane.
I'm pretty sure that would be easier than the prison time he's going to have to do. I'd rather have a quick death than to have my asshole raped by nasty men and beat up all the time. No thank you.
 

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Also this former cop, he's been rightfully fired, has been denied bail. Hopefully they make an example of him. Just because someone runs doesn't mean they should be shot. Get your lazy ass legs moving Mr. Officer and go catch the 50 year old man.
 

lookoutawhale

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He shot an unarmed man in the back who was running away from him.
AFTER the man fought the policeman for a weapon though.

Im not saying he should have killed him but that has to be terrifying for a cop. When a guy runs at you and tries to steal your gun or tazer. The cop didn't know what the guy was going for. If he got a hold of the gun that cop could have been dead.

I think he fired in a bad move full of adrenalin but still the other guy made a stupid move to attacking the cop.
 

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Video again:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=fg3GrfR2wiQ


This is what I have been saying for years. Cops in the US of free America are worse than the criminals they are supposedly chasing.
Throw the book at him, life sentence without the possibility of parole.

Then clean out the cops/lawyers/supporters who helped cover up this murder. Fired at best, locked up is preferable. Get rid of the scum of the police force.
 

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AFTER the man fought the policeman for a weapon though.

Im not saying he should have killed him but that has to be terrifying for a cop. When a guy runs at you and tries to steal your gun or tazer. The cop didn't know what the guy was going for. If he got a hold of the gun that cop could have been dead.

I think he fired in a bad move full of adrenalin but still the other guy made a stupid move to attacking the cop.
Well, he picked up his gun, so he knew the suspect didn't have that. Then he can use his eyes to see that the man is running away from him and not posing an imminent danger. This whole conversation would be different if they were stuggling and the guy got shot, but he wasn't attacking the officer when he was shot, he had his back to him and was fleeing.
 

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Before the video became public, the police had a different story. After speaking to North Charleston police spokesman Spencer Pryor, local media reported that "...a man ran on foot from the traffic stop and an officer deployed his department-issued Taser in an attempt to stop him. That did not work, police said, and an altercation ensued as the men struggled over the device. Police allege that during the struggle the man gained control of the Taser and attempted to use it against the officer. The officer then resorted to his service weapon and shot him..."

Yeah, fuck those cops who tarnish the good name of most cops. And fuck the corrupt practices. Get rid of them ALL.