Officer charged with murder

[easedel]

He is going to get off. For the simple fact the guy attacked him when he caught up too him, went after his weapon, apparently did get hold of taser at one point. There is even one point in the video where the guy was on top of the cop. Its blurry but you can make out the still of it due to the clothing. Say what you want but a taser is a weapon. If the guy was brazen enough to just bolt out of the car, do all the above, who knows what else he was capable of doing. At that point the cop saw him as a threat and his job was to prevent him from escaping.

Granted the video above looks bad from just seeing it. I thought the guys car was right there and the guy was out talking to the cop and just decided to run and the cop shot him right there. Then I i saw the previous video of the guy being pulled over. Giving a half ass story, getting out the car twice ( 2nd time him just taking off running ) the cop chasing, and hearing the cop giving the guy orders.

Its easy to look at things after the fact but you look at it from the prespective of the cop. He will get off and just going off the info we have, I can see why.

 

[Zeph]

He is going to get off. For the simple fact the guy attacked him when he caught up too him, went after his weapon, apparently did get hold of taser at one point. There is even one point in the video where the guy was on top of the cop. Its blurry but you can make out the still of it due to the clothing. Say what you want but a taser is a weapon. If the guy was brazen enough to just bolt out of the car, do all the above, who knows what else he was capable of doing. At that point the cop saw him as a threat and his job was to prevent him from escaping.

Granted the video above looks bad from just seeing it. I thought the guys car was right there and the guy was out talking to the cop and just decided to run and the cop shot him right there. Then I i saw the previous video of the guy being pulled over. Giving a half ass story, getting out the car twice ( 2nd time him just taking off running ) the cop chasing, and hearing the cop giving the guy orders.

Its easy to look at things after the fact but you look at it from the prespective of the cop. He will get off and just going off the info we have, I can see why.

Goddamn is the states fucked up. If a Cop can shoot someone in the back, when they are unarmed, and running away from the cop, and people think it is justified. You lot are in a worse state than I could imagine.

 

[easedel]

Did you even bother to look at my post for the reasoning why i said he may get off?

For one. Unarmed does not mean "not dangerous". The media did a grand job of playing that up so unarmed means innocent. Secondly, a cop, if he feels a person is a threat/danger towards himself and or the public, i believe he can legally shoot a person if necessary to keep them from escaping. Actually Tennesse vs Garner states

"We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

Now the fact that the guy got in a physical fight with the cop and wrestled over the cops weapons, that is someone that poses a significant threat.

You can say he was running away. Well he was running away the first time too & he ended up attacking a cop. You don't know where he is going when he runs after that. Is he going to attack the next person he sees? Take someone as a hostage? Have a weapon on him that is concealed? I mean he just got in a fight with a cop & wrestled over his taser after giving a flakey story and jumping out his car twice and running. So if anything, this shows the guy is not stable at all and is a danger/threat.

As i said, the initial video that was played everywhere and showed. Yea it looked very bad. When you actually look at things as a whole, it paints a different picture.

 

[Wild]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=a4f45msfgpM

 

[Zeph]

Did you even bother to look at my post for the reasoning why i said he may get off?

For one. Unarmed does not mean "not dangerous". The media did a grand job of playing that up so unarmed means innocent. Secondly, a cop, if he feels a person is a threat/danger towards himself and or the public, i believe he can legally shoot a person if necessary to keep them from escaping.

Now the fact that the guy got in a physical fight with the cop and wrestled over the cops weapons, that is a dangerous person.
You can say he was running away. Well he was running away the first time too & he ended up attacking a cop. You don't know where he is going when he runs after that. Is he going to attack the next person he sees? Take someone as a hostage? Have a weapon on him that is concealed? I mean he just got in a fight with a cop & wrestled over his taser after giving a flakey story and jumping out his car twice and running. So if anything, this shows the guy is not stable at all and is a danger/threat.

As i said, the initial video that was played everywhere and showed. Yea it looked very bad. When you actually look at things as a whole, it paints a different picture.

I did, and you genuinely think it is ok to shoot an unarmed man in the back. I never once said he was innocent, but that isn't the point. He was unarmed and gunned down, instead of captured and incapacitated, and you seem perfectly fine with that, even rationalizing it. If that is the kind of policing you can rationalize, then yes, the problem is worse than I had thought.

As for the running away so he is an imminent threat angle, you could use that for anyone that is running away from a crime. Is it ok to shoot anyone who commits assault and runs away? Is that justified force? Does the punishment fit the crime? A proper response would have been to chase him, incapacitate him, and take him into custody. If he can't do it solo, he has a radio and a partner nearby.

 

[Zeph]

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=10&v=a4f45msfgpM

Nice race baiting CNN.

 

[ThatOneDude]

Did you even bother to look at my post for the reasoning why i said he may get off?

For one. Unarmed does not mean "not dangerous". The media did a grand job of playing that up so unarmed means innocent. Secondly, a cop, if he feels a person is a threat/danger towards himself and or the public, i believe he can legally shoot a person if necessary to keep them from escaping. Actually Tennesse vs Garner states

"We conclude that such force may not be used unless it is necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others."

Now the fact that the guy got in a physical fight with the cop and wrestled over the cops weapons, that is someone that poses a significant threat.

You can say he was running away. Well he was running away the first time too & he ended up attacking a cop. You don't know where he is going when he runs after that. Is he going to attack the next person he sees? Take someone as a hostage? Have a weapon on him that is concealed? I mean he just got in a fight with a cop & wrestled over his taser after giving a flakey story and jumping out his car twice and running. So if anything, this shows the guy is not stable at all and is a danger/threat.

As i said, the initial video that was played everywhere and showed. Yea it looked very bad. When you actually look at things as a whole, it paints a different picture.

If he gets off then laws need to be changed and so do officers training. If you cant handle a 50 year old man as a trained officer there is a problem

 

[D241]

It will never happen, but I'd be really interested to see a before and after picture of a convicted cop's asshole before he goes to prison and 5 years deep into his sentence.

 

[easedel]

I did, and you genuinely think it is ok to shoot an unarmed man in the back. I never once said he was innocent, but that isn't the point. He was unarmed and gunned down, instead of captured and incapacitated, and you seem perfectly fine with that, even rationalizing it. If that is the kind of policing you can rationalize, then yes, the problem is worse than I had thought.

As for the running away so he is an imminent threat angle, you could use that for anyone that is running away from a crime. Is it ok to shoot anyone who commits assault and runs away? Is that justified force? Does the punishment fit the crime? A proper response would have been to chase him, incapacitate him, and take him into custody. If he can't do it solo, he has a radio and a partner nearby.

Nope you didn't read what I said. Otherwise you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking.

 

[Zeph]

Nope you didn't read what I said. Otherwise you wouldn't be asking the questions you are asking.

I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

 

[Calavaro]

He is going to get off. For the simple fact the guy attacked him when he caught up too him, went after his weapon, apparently did get hold of taser at one point. There is even one point in the video where the guy was on top of the cop. Its blurry but you can make out the still of it due to the clothing. Say what you want but a taser is a weapon. If the guy was brazen enough to just bolt out of the car, do all the above, who knows what else he was capable of doing. At that point the cop saw him as a threat and his job was to prevent him from escaping.

Granted the video above looks bad from just seeing it. I thought the guys car was right there and the guy was out talking to the cop and just decided to run and the cop shot him right there. Then I i saw the previous video of the guy being pulled over. Giving a half ass story, getting out the car twice ( 2nd time him just taking off running ) the cop chasing, and hearing the cop giving the guy orders.

Its easy to look at things after the fact but you look at it from the prespective of the cop. He will get off and just going off the info we have, I can see why.

It did not happen in Mega-City One, and the cop was not Judge Dredd.

There is NO justification shooting an unarmed man in the back, running away from you. None. It doesn't matter how you "perceive" the person. Cops are not judge and jury, cops can not sentence him to death. If he gets off, it's a crime against humanity.

 

[Punch]

Fuck crooked cops. Thank you good cops.

 

[Punch]

Thatonedude, I was in Fallujah. Shit got hairy. Glad you made it back home brother.

 

[D241]

@Priziesthorse says

FUCK THE POLICE!!