Two men charged in Jimmo death

[DiSmAnTLeR]

I knew three guys from innisfail (little over an hour south of Edmonton) that stomped a man to death in the parking lot of 'the highwayman motor inn' and the most any of them got was 3 years. One guy served just under a year. I knew all three of them as its a small town and stood up with one of them as a groomsmen. The guy they killed was named Rick bowland and he ran an auto shop called bowland engines.

Apparently they sold him a joint in the parking lot and for some reason he started to sketch them out so they beat him to death. Jumping up and stomping him with two feet. Guy had young kids and everything. My dad worked maintenance at the hospital and was there on call when they brought him in. He said he knew instantly that the guy wouldn't make it because of the sucking chest wound.

Our justice system is fucked. I know a guy that served over a year for possession of drugs and the one guy in my story didn't even do that long.

 

[benjo0101]

I knew three guys from innisfail (little over an hour south of Edmonton) that stomped a man to death in the parking lot of 'the highwayman motor inn' and the most any of them got was 3 years. One guy served just under a year. I knew all three of them as its a small town and stood up with one of them as a groomsmen. The guy they killed was named Rick bowland and he ran an auto shop called bowland engines.

Apparently they sold him a joint in the parking lot and for some reason he started to sketch them out so they beat him to death. Jumping up and stomping him with two feet. Guy had young kids and everything. My dad worked maintenance at the hospital and was there on call when they brought him in. He said he knew instantly that the guy wouldn't make it because of the sucking chest wound.

Our justice system is fucked. I know a guy that served over a year for possession of drugs and the one guy in my story didn't even do that long.

Fuck man. How could you do that to someone for so little?

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

Fuck man. How could you do that to someone for so little?

Yeah. It was pretty disgusting.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

According to the American Bureau of Justice in their latest study of over 400 000 prisoners, the percentage of Vilolent Reoffenders is 71%. Try and find the Dunedin Report (has more studies about physical and mental health based off of it all over the world than any other), According the study Violent and criminal offenders with certain markers will have a very high likelyhood of doing the same crimes again. Scary thing is these markers (certain aspects in the brain) seem to the the norm and not the exception.

You're comparing 2 different countries with 2 different prison systems.

 

[Psychotropic Wanderlust]

Yeah. It was pretty disgusting.

similar story, a childhood friend of mine was walking home from a party when he passed out drunk on a park bench. a little bit later some other drunk morons decided it was a good idea to jump him. they stomped him, his head, his chest, and then they lit him on fire and he burned to death right then. apparently the neighborhood went vigilante when they found out who did it, ended up burning one guys parents house down. 3 of the 4 people who did it are in jail still. this was 4 years ago.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

similar story, a childhood friend of mine was walking home from a party when he passed out drunk on a park bench. a little bit later some other drunk morons decided it was a good idea to jump him. they stomped him, his head, his chest, and then they lit him on fire and he burned to death right then. apparently the neighborhood went vigilante when they found out who did it, ended up burning one guys parents house down. 3 of the 4 people who did it are in jail still. this was 4 years ago.

Terrible. Sorry for your friend

 

[maurice]

Im not sure how Canadian law works but I have a question. Why is the 2nd guy (the passenger) only being charged with accessory to murder after the fact? In the U.S, if youre an accomplice in a felony and somebody dies than you are usually charged with murder as well even if you didnt pull the trigger (or in this case werent in physical control of the vehicle).

Assuming "after the fact" means that he had no involvement before or during the hit and run, then he wouldn't be charged with murder in the U.S. either. For example, if he was just a passenger at the time of the killing but then helped the driver cover it up, he isn't guilty of murder.

 

[otaku1]

I'm calling it right now 5-7 years for the driver 2.5-4 yr for the passenger max

Sadly I think you're probably right...

 

[bully4me]

You're comparing 2 different countries with 2 different prison systems.

You were asking about repeat offenders. Look into the Dunedin report it's based on information from all over the world. It doesn't matter what location, or economic situation. Violent offenders will more often than not repeat the offense. It's basically the way they are hardwired. It doesn't matter if it's China. Brazil, Iceland, The USA or Canada. What does the country and justice system have to do with the type of person that commits these types of senseless violent acts. The issue is with the criminal.

There is a difference between a killer who lets say was in a bar, gets into an altercation pushes a guy and he whacks his head on the floor and dies. Compared to a dude in a truck who gets into it with someone, that someone walks away and the dude decides to run him over with his truck while he walks away. There just is no regard for human life and usually little or no remorse.

 

[bully4me]

I knew three guys from innisfail (little over an hour south of Edmonton) that stomped a man to death in the parking lot of 'the highwayman motor inn' and the most any of them got was 3 years. One guy served just under a year. I knew all three of them as its a small town and stood up with one of them as a groomsmen. The guy they killed was named Rick bowland and he ran an auto shop called bowland engines.

Apparently they sold him a joint in the parking lot and for some reason he started to sketch them out so they beat him to death. Jumping up and stomping him with two feet. Guy had young kids and everything. My dad worked maintenance at the hospital and was there on call when they brought him in. He said he knew instantly that the guy wouldn't make it because of the sucking chest wound.

Our justice system is fucked. I know a guy that served over a year for possession of drugs and the one guy in my story didn't even do that long.

That Story IS absolutely terrible. May I ask, How old were these three when they committed the Killing? I tried to look it up myself on the net but couldn't find anything about it. Which made me think these three were young offenders and that's why there would be no press.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

You were asking about repeat offenders. Look into the Dunedin report it's based on information from all over the world. It doesn't matter what location, or economic situation. Violent offenders will more often than not repeat the offense. It's basically the way they are hardwired. It doesn't matter if it's China. Brazil, Iceland, The USA or Canada. What does the country and justice system have to do with the type of person that commits these types of senseless violent acts. The issue is with the criminal.

There is a difference between a killer who lets say was in a bar, gets into an altercation pushes a guy and he whacks his head on the floor and dies. Compared to a dude in a truck who gets into it with someone, that someone walks away and the dude decides to run him over with his truck while he walks away. There just is no regard for human life and usually little or no remorse.

You cited statistics from an American study in your last post. A country known for its horrendous social programs. If I Google Dunedin report, the result that kicks back is a "health and development study" of people born over the course of a year in Dunedin, New Zealand.

I agree there are different types of murder, that's why there's different charges. If you're saying you want these guys locked up and the key thrown away; sure, I agree. But we know the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent from committing crime. It lets some members of the public feel like something was accomplished, but it does nothing to solve any problems.

 

[DiSmAnTLeR]

That Story IS absolutely terrible. May I ask, How old were these three when they committed the Killing? I tried to look it up myself on the net but couldn't find anything about it. Which made me think these three were young offenders and that's why there would be no press.

They were all over 18. I just googled it myself and can't find any info even using the names of the three assailants and Rick. It was in the late 90's. I'm willing to state two of the names, stating the third could bite me in the ass personally.

The two pieces of shit that stomped Rick Bowland to death in the highwayman motor inn parking lot were named Christopher Orr and Justin McLean. This was at least before 1999. The hotel is now a super 8 but the attached restaurant still carries the highwayman name.

 

[bully4me]

You cited statistics from an American study in your last post. A country known for its horrendous social programs. If I Google Dunedin report, the result that kicks back is a "health and development study" of people born over the course of a year in Dunedin, New Zealand.

I agree there are different types of murder, that's why there's different charges. If you're saying you want these guys locked up and the key thrown away; sure, I agree. But we know the death penalty isn't an effective deterrent from committing crime. It lets some members of the public feel like something was accomplished, but it does nothing to solve any problems.

The death penalty IS a deterrent. The number of murderers that get their "natural life" in prison is much less than the number that are out in 20, 25, 30yrs or whatever mount of time they actually spend in prison. Due to lenient sentences, reduced sentences, early paroles, etc.. Even some are released early because of over populated prisons. There a a good number of violent criminals that WILL KILL AGAIN. For arguments sake say it's just one person that kills again (it would be very unlikely it only would be one), If the death penalty was in place, life or lives saved. I'd say without these killers ever having the chance to be released it IS very effective deterrent on more Victims being killed. Keeping them inside and throwing away the key also works, not my first choice as it's very costly, still chances of escape, killing others prisoners inside or even worse killing prison workers. A killer with no chance of ever being released has nothing to lose. Bottom line, there is no Death Penalty in Canada. All I want is Justice, a person who can run somebody over from behind as they're walking away with a full size truck is trying to kill. There was no great reason to do it. There was no remorse, taking off right after and ditching the truck, not turning themselves in. Anything less than the Natural LIfe of the driver who ran over Ryan is not enough.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The death penalty IS a deterrent. The number of murderers that get their "natural life" in prison is much less than the number that are out in 20, 25, 30yrs or whatever mount of time they actually spend in prison. Due to lenient sentences, reduced sentences, early paroles, etc.. Even some are released early because of over populated prisons. There a a good number of violent criminals that WILL KILL AGAIN. For arguments sake say it's just one person that kills again (it would be very unlikely it only would be one), If the death penalty was in place, life or lives saved. I'd say without these killers ever having the chance to be released it IS very effective deterrent on more Victims being killed. Keeping them inside and throwing away the key also works, not my first choice as it's very costly, still chances of escape, killing others prisoners inside or even worse killing prison workers. A killer with no chance of ever being released has nothing to lose. Bottom line, there is no Death Penalty in Canada. All I want is Justice, a person who can run somebody over from behind as they're walking away with a full size truck is trying to kill. There was no great reason to do it. There was no remorse, taking off right after and ditching the truck, not turning themselves in. Anything less than the Natural LIfe of the driver who ran over Ryan is not enough.

I overwhelmingly agree that justice for Ryan is needed, but there's nothing statistical that supports your statements about the death penalty.