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Zeph said:
Alright, Dodgey McDodgerson.
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You might have noticed some differences in Trump and the current GOP leadership. Especially regarding things like LGBT issues.

It's been talked about a little in the news.
 
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Splinty said:
You might have noticed some differences in Trump and the current GOP leadership. Especially regarding things like LGBT issues.

It's been talked about a little in the news.
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I guess we'll see at the convention.
 
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Judobill said:
This is his Sarah Palin moment. It's over. Hillary will win.
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That's not even close to an accurate representation, and I don't love Pence or anything. I was all in the Sessions camp.

Pence is multi term congressman that sat on the foreign affairs committee for years, is a Governor, and has a long history working with Democrats. He's a well educated constitutional lawyer. Hes understated which makes for a good VP.

Palin was a governor only and overshadowed McCain, who ran one of the worst campaigns in modern history.
 
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IschKabibble said:
Pence is still too unknown for him to make that big of an impact. Until he flubs, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
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Pence is actually a very eloquent guy that regular says things like, "well I have to admit, thats a fair point..." while in television debates.

He will be targeted for his history of social conservative issues, which are largely out of step with the mainstream. But also he has shown a willingness to give olive branches in response to his detractors.

Twitter is showing its colors though. His supporting that private businesses can not be forced to put on gay weddings or cakes or whatevr, for instance, is a totally libertarian position. But in response to his pick I see people saying they will look at Gary Johnson, who is against any type of protected class; private property rights trump all others in that world.
 
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You guys are seriously triggering me with all this overestimating the influence a VP choice has.

After securing the nomination, Obama consistently polled higher than McCain except for when Palin was selected as the VP. McCain got a noisy bump in the polls that lasted 1 week and then went right back to his polling average of around 44%.
 
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After seeing four polls with Trump ahead of Clinton nationally and in swing states, and now with the #neverTrump movement BTFO at the rules committee, I can only think...Donald Trump Lied!





























He said we would win so much we'd be tired of winning, sick of winning!

Lies, I'm not tired of it all!
 
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Splinty said:
That's not even close to an accurate representation, and I don't love Pence or anything. I was all in the Sessions camp.

Pence is multi term congressman that sat on the foreign affairs committee for years, is a Governor, and has a long history working with Democrats. He's a well educated constitutional lawyer. Hes understated which makes for a good VP.

Palin was a governor only and overshadowed McCain, who ran one of the worst campaigns in modern history.
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I agree with what you say, what I mean is yhat I believe this is the end of his campaign. Pence is way too socially conservitive.
 
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IschKabibble said:
Hannity interview with Pence last night:

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At least it looks like he is going to play the understated steady VP.
Not a lot said, but I did note:

  • Immigration ban moved to highly prevalent terrorism countries instead of muslims (a better move). We have done this plenty of times in the past with limiting visas to bad actors like Iran. Just expand this scope.
  • He rightly highlights the failure of Iraq pulling out and letting it fall apart, the subsequent steps that led to ISIS, but sidesteps his support going in. He was part of the problem going in. But fair enough, we failed on the way out worse than could have ever imagined.
  • I suspect he and I strongly disagree on LGBT issues, but there is a fair argument the libertarians always bring up regarding private property rights. Can the law compel an individual to create a product against their will? Are gay wedding cakes protected and drawing a dick on a cake not? curse words? I have a lot of thoughts on where that balance may need to fall, but I'm at least happy to see Pence take a calm and respectful approach to something so visceral and he did while referencing constitutionality instead of the Bible
  • All of the above energy policy which will support nuclear, finally. I hope that we will move away from coal, but we aren't there yet and will never be without nuclear
  • Taking a nuanced approach on his previous disagreements on Trump for trade deals, but he is happy for bilateral trade agreements and review or reject multilateral ones, so he's going to back whatever trade moves Trump supports. I'd expect this to mean TPP has to be fully revamped and the NAFTA overhaul that Trump wants will still happen.
Overall looks like hes going to remain understated.
I still wish that religion would just back out of national politics, but I'm not terribly unhappy with this so far given the need to build a big tent.



I still wanted Based Sessions :eek:
 
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