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It's all just noise my friend. Sit back and enjoy the ride. No President will ever win the White House like this again. Ever.

How Donald Trump played the media

Marco Rubio was riding high after a debate performance five days ahead of Super Tuesday. He had laid into Donald Trump to a degree that had so far seemed unimaginable from a field of Republican presidential candidates that was usually apprehensive about challenging the prickly billionaire.

Rubio, after mocking and interrupting Trump throughout the debate, spent the next morning laying into Trump at a rally, mocking his typo-ridden tweets. It looked as though someone finally managed to one-up the seemingly unstoppable front-runner.

But then Trump did what he does best.

With one news conference, featuring an unexpected endorsement from his formal rival Gov. Chris Christie, Trump grabbed hold of the national news cameras and swung them back toward himself for 30 minutes — and then for the rest of the day.

How Donald Trump played the media
Its fine to believe, do that.
Or maybe he just is the overly narcissistic asswipe and others try to explain the unexplainable. :)

It doesn't matter to me either way, unless it helps you guys breaking up the two-party-system. That would be a boon.

Much more curious about the WikiLeaks stuff on Hillary, and kinda surprised nothing new big came of it yet, they were pretty boastful.
 

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Its fine to believe, do that.
Or maybe he just is the overly narcissistic asswipe and others try to explain the unexplainable. :)
Why not just agree to disagree with we, the people?




It doesn't matter to me either way, unless it helps you guys breaking up the two-party-system. That would be a boon.
How does our two-party system have any effect on you? You folks have your own issues to sort out...

 

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It's implied he wanted to use nukes to nuke the middle east. That might not start WW3, but in my eyes, would be a massive crime against humanity.

As much as I think Hilary is a crook and war hawk, I 100% believe she wouldn't use nukes in the middle east, or even contemplate it. What happens if Trump has a falling out with Putin, then Putin invades somewhere?
 

Qat

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How does our two-party system have any effect on you? You folks have your own issues to sort out...
Cause its always the same shit and same people towing the same line, and no surprise, your foreign policies have effect everywhere, so of course that concerns me. Your fucking agencies are spying on me, which both your big parties ain't gonna change. So of course that concerns me. And it seems like a system you just can't break out of, it limits a lot of your options as well. Bernie and Donald are the only guys that were maybe capable of it, maybe still are, so I hold that to em.
And even now some people here write that Johnson is the best candidate, but nobody is gonna vote for him.. so.. what gives? Its just not a very healthy democracy with those two big birds and nothing else imo.

Why not just agree to disagree with we, the people?
He is not leading in the polls atm. :D

Haha, how you got onto that?
We certainly have other issues worse than some people screaming "go away" to Gauck. And frankly, I understand. Gauck has been a massive disappointment imo, came in with high hopes, to be the good guy, a guy with a good conscience and decisive history, not part of any party - independent, changing shit up. And... he basically did nothing. Kinda like Obama's promise about Gitmo and shit.
Can't really tell you what we expected, but certainly not sitting in Merkels lap all the time. Either way, he will go away next year.

It's implied he wanted to use nukes to nuke the middle east. That might not start WW3, but in my eyes, would be a massive crime against humanity.

As much as I think Hilary is a crook and war hawk, I 100% believe she wouldn't use nukes in the middle east.
His plans to distribute more nuclear weapons to more countries seems itchy as well, there even was something with Saudi Arabia no? Sure only to the countries he sees as good countries or something? But shit like that can change fast, we are seeing it in Turkey, the great great ally. And who is to say with all the move to the political right, that some Japanese dude won't emerge that wants revenge for Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and then what?
Even if he doesn't do it, you just created a new North Korea, and a new ally for North Korea.
We should reduce nuclear weapons everywhere, not build em up.

And yeah, nuking the Middle East, for fucks sake.. of course I'm not okay with that.

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Being harsh against Putin in words is what gets you elected over there (so far), isn't it? Either way, I totally agree with actually trying to be cordial with Russia.
 

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It's implied he wanted to use nukes to nuke the middle east. That might not start WW3, but in my eyes, would be a massive crime against humanity.

As much as I think Hilary is a crook and war hawk, I 100% believe she wouldn't use nukes in the middle east, or even contemplate it. What happens if Trump has a falling out with Putin, then Putin invades somewhere?
I'll go by Trump and Putin's direct quotes vs some career politician shitting on Trump and giving hearsay testimony.

 

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His plans to distribute more nuclear weapons to more countries seems itchy as well, there even was something with Saudi Arabia no? Sure only to the countries he sees as good countries or something? But shit like that can change fast, we are seeing it in Turkey, the great great ally. And who is to say with all the move to the political right, that some Japanese dude won't emerge that wants revenge for Nagasaki and Hiroshima, and then what?
Even if he doesn't do it, you just created a new North Korea, and a new ally for North Korea.
We should reduce nuclear weapons everywhere, not build em up.

And yeah, nuking the Middle East, for fucks sake.. of course I'm not okay with that.
When did Trump say he was going to start handing out nukes? He said he prefers we don't play world police anymore because we're 19 trillion dollars in debt. It's a financial negotiation, and he started the negotiations before even taking office.

Trump flip-flops on Japan nukes

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Wednesday night charged Hillary Clinton was misrepresenting his position by saying he wants nuclear arms for Japan -- but the presumptive Republican nominee previously has said exactly that.

At a rally in Sacramento, Trump said that Clinton "made a speech, she's making another one tomorrow, and they sent me a copy of the speech. And it was such lies about my foreign policy, that they said I want Japan to get nuclear weapons. Give me a break."
He added, "See they don't say it: I want Japan and Germany and Saudi Arabia and South Korea and many of the NATO states, nations, they owe us tremendously, we're taking care of all those people and what I want them to do is pay up."

But in an April interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News, Trump said, "It's not like, gee whiz, nobody has them. So, North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea."

Wallace asked, "With nukes?"

"Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes," Trump responded.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/02/politics/donald-trump-nuclear-weapons-japan/
 

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I'll go by Trump and Putin's direct quotes vs some career politician shitting on Trump and giving hearsay testimony.

Putin posturing about a missile defence system should make me feel better about Trump how? it's obvious why Putin wouldn't want it, it's also obvious why Europe, particularly Eastern Europe, would. I wouldn't expect a the US to tell Putin they are putting it there because of him and Russia.
 

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When did Trump say he was going to start handing out nukes? He said he prefers we don't play world police anymore because we're 19 trillion dollars in debt. It's a financial negotiation, and he started the negotiations before even taking office.

Trump flip-flops on Japan nukes

Washington (CNN)Donald Trump on Wednesday night charged Hillary Clinton was misrepresenting his position by saying he wants nuclear arms for Japan -- but the presumptive Republican nominee previously has said exactly that.

At a rally in Sacramento, Trump said that Clinton "made a speech, she's making another one tomorrow, and they sent me a copy of the speech. And it was such lies about my foreign policy, that they said I want Japan to get nuclear weapons. Give me a break."
He added, "See they don't say it: I want Japan and Germany and Saudi Arabia and South Korea and many of the NATO states, nations, they owe us tremendously, we're taking care of all those people and what I want them to do is pay up."

But in an April interview with Chris Wallace on Fox News, Trump said, "It's not like, gee whiz, nobody has them. So, North Korea has nukes. Japan has a problem with that. I mean, they have a big problem with that. Maybe they would in fact be better off if they defend themselves from North Korea."

Wallace asked, "With nukes?"

"Including with nukes, yes, including with nukes," Trump responded.

Donald Trump flip-flops on Japan nukes - CNNPolitics.com
Trump wants NATO countries to pay up? How will that work exactly? Will he disband it or kick out countries that don't pay some fee to the U.S.?
 

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Putin posturing about a missile defence system should make me feel better about Trump how? it's obvious why Putin wouldn't want it, it's also obvious why Europe, particularly Eastern Europe, would. I wouldn't expect a the US to tell Putin they are putting it there because of him and Russia.
Putin is not the enemy. But he's clearly not a bitch either.

 

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You didn't watch the press conference vids I linked, did you?
Ok, so it's Putin making claims that Georgia wasn't a land grab opportunity but orchestrated by the West to help someone get elected. I assume since it is 2008 and Bush was in power that it was to help Republican candidate John McCain. While that may be true, he provided no evidence at all, and he has internal reasons to look like he is strong and standing up to the old enemy, so the validity of those claims are dubious to say the least. I wouldn't put it past any U.S. politician, though, the U.S. has used covert forces in all kinds of operations to advance U.S. interests across the globe.

I'm still not sure how this relates to Donald Trump, how he would react to a disagreement with Putin, and his intentions in regards to NATO.
 

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I'm still not sure how this relates to Donald Trump, how he would react to a disagreement with Putin, and his intentions in regards to NATO.
It's political posturing. How wouldn't it be related?

NATO is said to be obsolete because it doesn't help combat the guerilla warfare we're enduring today. Putin admits US is a super power, if not the only super power on the planet right now. He says he welcomes better relations between our countries. He and Trump have both insisted that ISIS must be eradicated. If our two countries team up to undo the mess that Hillary's State Department created, we can move past this shit and start talking about more important things like space exploration and colonizing the Universe.
 

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It's political posturing. How wouldn't it be related?

NATO is said to be obsolete because it doesn't help combat the guerilla warfare we're enduring today. Putin admits US is a super power, if not the only super power on the planet right now. He says he welcomes better relations between our countries. He and Trump have both insisted that ISIS must be eradicated. If our two countries team up to undo the mess that Hillary's State Department created, we can move past this shit and start talking about more important things like space exploration and colonizing the Universe.
Do you think Russia would have annexed Crimea if Ukraine was a member of NATO? Or parts of Georgia? Do you think Putin will hesitate to annex parts of the Balkans if NATO is disbanded?

Why would NATO help you with wars in the Middle East? NATO doesn't cover wars of aggression. In regards to Syria, yes it is a mess, but the current plan is working, working well in fact. I don't know if you keep up with the Syrian Civil war, but the U.S. backed SDF are currently finishing the capture of Manbij, a town in northern Syria, from ISIS, and are pushing to close the ISIS-Turkish border which is used to funnel oil out and supplies/fighters into ISIS held territory.

The Islamist rebels are currently on an offensive in Aleppo, since their eastern part of Aleppo was recently surrounded by the SAA, aiming to break the siege. A lot of resources are being used and they are taking many casualties, many commentators are speculating that if they fail that the manpower and resources lost in this offensive could spark the beginning of the end for them as an effective fighting force, however, the outcome is far from a forgone conclusion, the fog of war is very thick, and things are very fluid.

Russia and the U.S. aren't in any direct conflict U.S. air attacks are focused on ISIS, while the RuAF is focusing on the rebels. The SDF and the SAA have a truce and aren't fighting each other. It's likely that the SDF will end up with an autonomous zone in northern Syria similar to the situation in northern Iraq.

More cooperation between the U.S. and Russia might be helpful in that situation, however, I doubt it would have a large effect. Russia are already bombing who they want to bomb and the U.S. the same, I don't see how that would change with Trump in charge.

I like the idea of moving into space exploration, but have you seen Trump's tax plans and the expert analysis that has been given about it? He plans to slash the U.S. projected income drastically with massive tax cuts - which will disproportionately favour the wealthy, but that's another issue - and to keep the current levels of spending would need to either run up a massive deficit or slash spending drastically. I would bet money on space exploration being high on the chopping block, or at least not getting any additional funds in a Trump presidency.
 
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Do you think Russia would have annexed Crimea if Ukraine was a member of NATO? Or parts of Georgia? Do you think Putin will hesitate to annex parts of the Balkans if NATO is disbanded?


I like the idea of moving into space exploration, but have you seen Trump's tax plans and the expert analysis that has been given about it? He plans to slash the U.S. projected income drastically with massive tax cuts - which will disproportionately favour the wealthy, but that's another issue - and to keep the current levels of spending would need to either run up a massive deficit or slash spending drastically. I would bet money on space exploration being high on the chopping block, or at least not getting any additional funds in a Trump presidency.
We're going to let Elon and the free market lead us to the new frontier.

 

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We're going to let Elon and the free market lead us to the new frontier.

That video doesn't answer any of those questions.

Elon Musk and the free market are already playing a big role in space exploration. You made the insinuation that a Trump presidency would push space exploration, how?
 

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That video doesn't answer any of those questions.
You're asking hypotheticals. I gave you a video where Trump said he won't let Putin annex land on his watch while maintaining both countries should advance relations. Putin has suggested he wants the same. But the media will keep trying to spin their words.

You made the insinuation that a Trump presidency would push space exploration, how?
Intellectually. All we talk about now our racial and religious divides. It's depressing.