Race discussion with Big.Thirsty

[Leigh]

Then why do they use the statistic as objective evidence in the court of law?

Is this the new God of Gaps?

Statistics =\= specifications, whether they are used in court or on the moon. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

The physical traits do not apply to all members of a race, therefore the race cannot be specified by said physical traits.

 

[Leigh]

Trying to catch up on this thread....basically two white dudes arguing about race, right?

And me

 

[IschKabibble]

Trying to catch up on this thread....basically two white dudes arguing about race, right?

I'm just trying my best to preserve the legacy of Mr. Carlin.

He's currently spinning in his grave.

 

[girlandcoconut]

And me

3 white dudes?

 

[Leigh]

3 white dudes?

I don't know what race everyone else is but the OP is not white.

 

[DFW4L]

Wouldn't classifying someone into a group based off physicality be the very definition of prejudice

Only if science can be prejudiced.

 

[girlandcoconut]

Obviously failing miserably at trying to add some levity to this thread. Carry on with your debate fine sirs.

 

[girlandcoconut]

@IschKabibble thank you for getting me

 

[IschKabibble]

I'm white as fuck. Everyone makes fun of me for being too white.

 

[DFW4L]

Trying to catch up on this thread....basically two white dudes arguing about race, right?

No, two people debating science.

...and we made it to page 17 before someone suggested our gender and race may be a factor in the discussion.

 

[DFW4L]

I do not believe that the percentage is near high enough to say that race can be proven scientifically by physical traits. There are to many differences especially physically in any particular "race" to accurately define what classifies it as a race.

I think you are confusing physical features and the human genome...

the scientific classification of race using genetics is not based on 'tall/short', 'white/black', etc

 

[Leigh]

No, two people debating science.

...and we made it to page 17 before someone suggested our gender and race may be a factor in the discussion.

And got mine wrong LOL. Some people would get offended at calling them by a difference race but I know race isn't real

 

[Leigh]

I think you are confusing physical features and the human genome...

the scientific classification of race using genetics is not based on 'tall/short', 'white/black', etc

But it still isn't genetically definitive.

 

[DFW4L]

And got mine wrong LOL. Some people would get offended at calling them by a difference race but I know race isn't real

Note you clarified your race when she suggested what your skin color is.

 

[DFW4L]

But it still isn't genetically definitive.

The subjects are not genetically definitive, so no, the results are not either.

I accept my science as such.

 

[Kingtony87]

Only if science can be prejudiced.

If science is taking non definitive parameters that fit several "groups" of people and attempting to use them to classify people then yes it's prejudice.

 

[Kingtony87]

Note you clarified your race when she suggested what your skin color is.

Big difference in clarifying skin color and race home boy. Who's being prejudice now assuming his race based on skin color?

 

[Leigh]

Note you clarified your race when she suggested what your skin color is.

Did I? What race did I say I was?

 

[DFW4L]

If science is taking non definitive parameters that fit several "groups" of people and attempting to use them to classify people then yes it's prejudice.

There are no definitive parameters, maybe there was before, if Pangaea is BS and we stayed isolated to our own paloeolithic tribes.

But we all likely came from the same source, and have intermingled through travel for hundreds of thousands of years after emergence as one group....

...the science at sorting out who is what / from where, is not definitive because the subject matter is not.

 

[Leigh]

I want to say though, 18 pages of debate about race and we haven't exploded into a name calling flame war. There has been a bit of back and forth but I've been impressed with how everyone has kept it cool, regardless of their position.

 

[DFW4L]

Did I? What race did I say I was?

'not white'

...and I am a scandinavian and my skin is darker than yours, so please with the 'color' stuff, lol

 

[DFW4L]

I want to say though, 18 pages of debate about race and we haven't exploded into a name calling flame war. There has been a bit of back and forth but I've been impressed with how everyone has kept it cool, regardless of their position.

Agreed, I almost lost track when I went to the 'SJW lothario' line, lol

do they give you headaches? the spells society has on you? j/k

 

[Leigh]

'not white'

...and I am a scandinavian and my skin is darker than yours, so please with the 'color' stuff, lol

Saying what I'm not is not clarifying what I am. It's like labelling atheism as a religion

I didn't mention colour.

 

[DFW4L]

Saying what I'm not is not clarifying what I am.

You are like the nameless people from GOT, except with race, you should start an assassins academy.

And someone called you white, you said you were not 'that' and then said you didn't mention color.

True, you never mentioned color. only refuted which one you were accused of being - that is red belt level linguistic touch butt, you must trane.

 

[Kingtony87]

There are no definitive parameters, maybe there was before, if Pangaea is BS and we stayed isolated to our own paloeolithic tribes.

But we all likely came from the same source, and have intermingled through travel for hundreds of thousands of years after emergence as one group....

...the science at sorting out who is what / from where, is not definitive because the subject matter is not.

1 that's a pretty big maybe saying that maybe there were definitive physical traits before

2 if everyone came from the same source then right there there's only one race.

The simple logic is that races are social constructs applied to similar groups of people. Now while many of those people may share similar physical traits those traits are not exclusive to said race or even definitive indicators of a person being that race. Seeing how there's so much diversion in each socially constructed racial group.

Logic dictates that if a paramater is not a definite way of classifying something it cannot be said that its a defining factor to that group.

Now physical traits can me used as an educated guess to help me determine a persons race. But that in no way is scientific way to classify something. Nor does it bring about accurate results.

If i used stats that back up black youths high percentage of committing violent crimes and then said that it was behaviorally genetic to their race because the stats back that up does that seem like a good way scientific way to classify a group does it?