Dana White: 'It's looking like Jon Jones did not' knowingly take drug flagged by USADA

[member 3289]

Did not knowingly take any?

Trainers can just slip all kinds of shit in their fighters supps and it's perfectly fine because the fighter didn't know

There is a way to prove this, depending on the product that contains the supplement.

 

[member 3289]

How he ingested is irrelevant. How many more way do you want to try to phrase it?

It's very relevant in terms of how it got into his system and what product the substance was present in.

 

[nastynate]

Stopped reading after troll.

Approach the disagreement in a respectful way if you expect a response.

no trolls like you get no respect.
why are you even posting here
mr. imleavinghereforeverif....
get out of here i dont care for your response to the disagreement.
your word means dog shit to me you fucking ass clown.

Edit: I understand that NDNH can rub people the wrong way but please don't flame/insult other members - L

 

[IschKabibble]

It's very relevant in terms of how it got into his system and what product the substance was present in.

If it's flagged as a banned performance enhancing chemical, the responsibility is on Jon Jones. How or who or where or when is totally fucking irrelevant.

UFC needs to scrap USADA imo. This whole thing is embarrassing and killing the sport. Two contenders for GOAT have both submitted legal defenses that they can't get their dicks up.

Give me a fucking break already. Please end the madness and just let it be about fights again.

 

[member 3289]

If it's flagged as a banned performance enhancing chemical, the responsibility is on Jon Jones. How or who or where or when is totally fucking irrelevant.

The responsibility is on Jones to report everything he's taking, on that I agree with you.

But if it can be proven that he is not knowingly taking the substance for performance-enhancing reasons, it is absolutely relevant.

I imagine that, depending on the amount of the substance that was found in his system, it can be proven whether or not he was taking it for said reasons.

Anderson Silva tested positive for an anabolic steroid and had a shitty excuse as to how it got into his system.

Jon Jones tested positive for an estrogen blocker (NOT a steroid and NOT a PED) and we still have yet to hear his explanation as to how it got into his system, so at the very least the jury should still be out.

 

[IschKabibble]

The responsibility is on Jones to report everything he's taking, on that I agree with you.

No. We don't agree on anything. You changed my stance. I never mentioned anything about reporting his supplements.

It's a binary test for banned chemicals. You either pass or fail.

He failed.

 

[member 3289]

No. We don't agree on anything. You changed my stance. I never mentioned anything about reporting his supplements.

It's a binary test for banned chemicals. You either pass or fail.

He failed.

It is not that simple. It is actually far from that simple.

If a large amount of it was in his system and it can be proven that such an amount could only have come from knowingly ingesting a product containing the substance, OK.

Eating a poppy seed bagel doesn't make you a heroin addict.

 

[Ryann Von Doom]

Hearing they tossed a fuckload of money around to get this shit taken care of..

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

But there is no lesser charge here. You either tested positive per the standards or you didn't. Anderson Silva set the precedent. And now Jon Jones is using the exact same defense.

But then our buddy Yoel got a reduced sentence because he "didn't know" so yes, there is a lesser charge.

 

[member 3289]

Hearing they tossed a fuckload of money around to get this shit taken care of..

You're not hearing anything. Just stop.

 

[nastynate]

wow
how to muddle the waters????
im fucking dumbfounded....
pass or fail a ped test.
that simple period.
wow

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

ummm no
first off all you are doing is muddleing the waters.
youre talking about a felony criminal offense ie murder or manslaughter.
in both cases the defendent carried out a felony offense.
now to what degree is the question of intent.
there is gray area there.
there could be justifactions for a lesser charge.


when it comes to a failed ped test it doesnt matter the intent.
its simple is the test positive or negative?
that is all that matters.
it is black and white with no gray area imo.
pass or fail.
if you fail the ped test YOU are the one that failed it no gray area.

1) Please stop hitting enter after every sentence. We aren't writing poems and the format makes it unnecessarily difficult to read.
2) There is a question of intent. It's why Yoel Romero got 6 months and not 2 years.

 

[IschKabibble]

If a large amount of it was in his system and it can be proven that such an amount could only have come from knowingly ingesting a product containing the substance, OK.

 

[IschKabibble]

But then our buddy Yoel got a reduced sentence because he "didn't know" so yes, there is a lesser charge.

I think that's dumb and counter-intuitive to the program. Scrap the whole thing imo. It's devaluing the sport. Pretty soon they'll all be wearing Master Lukey pads to prevent brain damage.

 

[member 3289]

Is this your only response?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I think that's dumb and counter-intuitive to the program.

I agree, but you can't ignore that it happened. It also happened to be the same manager making the same argument, and it worked the last time...

 

[IschKabibble]

Is this your only response?

No. It's yours.

 

[IschKabibble]

I agree, but you can't ignore that it happened. It also happened to be the same manager making the same argument, and it worked the last time...

So you admit it's just a weasel tactic then?

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

So you admit it's just a weasel tactic then?

Absolutely. I don't think I ever suggested otherwise. All that I had said was that intent factors into how much trouble the get into, and that it isn't as simple as "pass or fail"

 

[member 3289]

The jury is still out. We're hearing only bits and pieces from Dana. We should all just wait until Jon presents his case to the NSAC and to USADA.

Too many people making leaps in judgment when they don't have nearly enough information to do so.

I understand Jon beat up your hero but give the guy a fair shake, for fuck's sake.

 

[IschKabibble]

Absolutely. I don't think I ever suggested otherwise. All that I had said was that intent factors into how much trouble the get into, and that it isn't as simple as "pass or fail"

I disagree. Make it a mandatory sentence that applies to any failed drug test. If Jon weasels out of this one, it sets more precedent for everyone to follow. Much like Anderson already did for him.

End the legal mumbo jumbo. Let's get back to fights.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I disagree. Make it a mandatory sentence that applies to any failed drug test. If Jon weasels out of this one, it sets more precedent for everyone to follow. Much like Anderson already did for him.

End the legal mumbo jumbo. Let's get back to fights.

It isn't something you can disagree about. It's already happened. Yoel got the reduction because of "tainted supplements"

 

[IschKabibble]

It isn't something you can disagree about. It's already happened. Yoel got the reduction because of "tainted supplements"

I understand it happened. I just disagree with the decision. They're trying to pretend there's some massive crackdown, but now they're politicking around the issue because it's making them look bad.

 

[Yossarian]

It is his job to know what he ingests. So right there he failed. Period. There have to be concequences if this drug program is to be taken seriously.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

I understand it happened. I just disagree with the decision. They're trying to pretend there's some massive crackdown, but now they're politicking around the issue because it's making them look bad.

They already look bad. Really bad. The only person I have any empathy toward in this situation is Brock.