Yes but two Samis can or other "races of people" if I were to press you again
Human race or die
Human race or die
Race discussion with Big.Thirsty
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Agreed. I'm also glad you admit race is physical and beyond just the societal implication.
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It seems like this is where we were already by page 1.
This is probably the best question.
My answer would be that the real question to ask is why call "it" anything? This social plague we've had thrust upon us that led to so much historical destruction should just be left behind like the plum pudding model of the atom, the geocentric model of the universe and the spontaneous generation model of life.
It's a crude and primitive instrument used for identification of the "other" mostly through European eyes. Today it's become firmly enmeshed in the identity politics that threaten to tear our civilization to shreds alongside our obsessions with early Iron Age mythology.
The simple facts are that it serves no scientific purpose at all and has only played a divisive role in our social reality. Were we to do away with the term entirely, we could do much more meaningful work in sciences physical or social.
Unfortunately, history is important. The social construction of race has changed fundamentally from its origins of being used as a tool of oppression to now being used as a tool to call attention to the actions of past and present oppressors as demographic shifts promise to permanently alter the balance of power in the United States and elsewhere. The concept of race is a socially derived artifact that will play a role in shaping our future, like it or not. It's baggage that we'll have to carry as we struggle toward our future understandings of what being human means at least until we encounter alien life that redefines our concepts of "other."
Two Wongs don't make a white
That's proof of selective breeding not race being defined physically.
That's proof of selective breeding not race being defined physically.
Because it's reality. We found a thing and needed a word for it.
You just generalized the shit out of white Europeans. Pretty hypocritical considering the conversation. To argue a modern perspective that "most white Europeans want to divide humanity" is baseless and unfounded. It's fear mongering. It's the exact identity politics you're chastising.
Agreed. But to pretend it doesn't exist now, or that it didn't exist very significantly at one point in our divided history, is inherently ignorant.
Agreed. And the moment we can collectively get over ourselves (while strongly respecting the past), we will thrive as a single race. Why even make a defense over antiquated science? What's the point? Social science only serves to define who we are and how we're different, which is racist in and of itself.
Two people won't have a child with different genetics to either of them. That's not evidence of race.
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I'm standing right here mufugger. Ruuude!
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No, that's history. That shit happened. It's slowly changing for the better though, which is awesome.Because it's reality. We found a thing and needed a word for it.
You just generalized the shit out of white Europeans. Pretty hypocritical considering the conversation. To argue a modern perspective that "most white Europeans want to divide humanity" is baseless and unfounded. It's fear mongering. It's the exact identity politics you're chastising.
Agreed. But to pretend it doesn't exist now, or that it didn't exist very significantly at one point in our divided history, is inherently ignorant.
Agreed. And the moment we can collectively get over ourselves (while strongly respecting the past), we will thrive as a single race. Why even make a defense over antiquated science? What's the point? Social science only serves to define who we are and how we're different, which is racist in and of itself.
Correct. Which is where it becomes a social science. The discussion of race is defined both within the context of social science and biological science.
I'm just trying to apply logic here. This isn't supposed to be about picking sides.
I think you should read my post again.Because it's reality. We found a thing and needed a word for it.
You just generalized the shit out of white Europeans. Pretty hypocritical considering the conversation. To argue a modern perspective that "most white Europeans want to divide humanity" is baseless and unfounded. It's fear mongering. It's the exact identity politics you're chastising.
Agreed. But to pretend it doesn't exist now, or that it didn't exist very significantly at one point in our divided history, is inherently ignorant.
Agreed. And the moment we can collectively get over ourselves (while strongly respecting the past), we will thrive as a single race. Why even make a defense over antiquated science? What's the point? Social science only serves to define who we are and how we're different, which is racist in and of itself.
I took it point-by-point. Where do we go next?
I'll tell you this much about race based on my highly scientific studies.... Black people are terrible at driving through traffic circles.
The entire (social) argument is founded on the theory within social science itself which states race isn't significant enough to warrant a specific classification -- by arguing against the intent of the word.
Meanwhile the world of biology continues to evolve an understand of our physical differences, which makes them irrelevant socially.
^ Someone prove this to be fallacious or close the fucking thread!!!
Meanwhile the world of biology continues to evolve an understand of our physical differences, which makes them irrelevant socially.
^ Someone prove this to be fallacious or close the fucking thread!!!
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I'm just itching for someone to call me racist. If you want to say it, say it. It's been implied twice and I'll happily entertain that conversation if we're going to go there.
But we're not talking about modern racism in Western society. Or even the distant past when we speared each other from horses. We're talking about whether or not race is "just a social construct."
But we're not talking about modern racism in Western society. Or even the distant past when we speared each other from horses. We're talking about whether or not race is "just a social construct."
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calm my titsCalm your racist tits.
I haven't referred to any social science and I haven't argued a certain degree of significance.
My argument has consistently been that unless traits are shared by every member of a group AND they are not shared with people outside of that group, the group is not physically distinct.
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Do you prefer a caress or a tweak? Wait, nvm that's exciting your tits... My bad.
I'm so calm. I'm trying to come to a peaceful, objective conclusion to this ridiculous argument. But now the argument stalemated and turned into a history lesson (social science).Calm your racist tits.
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I am a very, very stubborn man. I won't leave until Leigh admits he was wrong and promotes me to mod.