Options for the UFC and the Nevada State Athletic Commission in the face of the Jon Jones Scandal

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From Combat Sports Law - Options for the UFC and the Nevada State Athletic Commission in the face of the Jon Jones Scandal | Combat Sports Law

With Jon Jones facing felony hit and run charges after being identified fleeing the scene of a motor vehicle collision in Albuquerque this weekend (Jon Jones Arrest Warrant Affidavit), the pressing question is whether he will still be allowed to participate in his scheduled UFC light heavyweight championship defense against Anthony Johnson at UFC 187 in Las Vegas.

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Not necessarily. While this is a tenet of criminal law, in the contractual relationship between the UFC and Jon Jones and the regulatory relationship between the Nevada State Athletic Commission and fighter there is authority to pull the plug if the will is there.

The UFC requires athletes to comply with a broad “Fighter Conduct Policy” which prohibits not only “criminal offences“, but also “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the integrity or reputation of the UFC” and lastly “conduct that undermines or puts at risk the organization or promotion of a UFC event“. Breaches of this policy allow the UFC to “impose disciplinary measures on the fighter as warranted in its sole discretion“.

Similarly, the Nevada State Athletic Commission enjoys powers to suspend the licence of an unarmed combatant who is simply “arrested” for a crime involving moral turpitude. Specifically NAC 467.887 reads as follows “A license issued by the Commission may be suspended if the holder is arrested or convicted on a charge involving moral turpitude“.

Not only can the NSAC suspend Jones’ licence if they conclude he misled them in the wake of the Daniel Cormier press conference fight, but they can also seek to rely on the above legislation (although it can be argued that felony hit and run does not meet the definition of a crime of moral turpitude) if they want to draw a line in the sand.

Both the NSAC and the UFC have options to explore if they want there to be consequences for Jon Jones’ actions. The question is do these organizations want to pull the trigger or would they rather leave UFC 187 undisturbed?
 

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If the fight goes ahead and jones loses people would say it was because of his troubles outside the cage messing with his psyche And preventing him from committing fully to the preparations.

And let's be honest it would, if you have charges looming it plays on your mind. On the flip side what would pulling jones achieve? Well you could argue it would be the wake up he needs and could be the turning point for him to put his head on straight and stop fucking up. OR he will see it as trying to take away from his livelihood, and be less inclined to toe the line in future.

It will be interesting to see what happens. I kind of expect the ufc to wash their hands of it and do nothing, but who knows
 

teamquestnorth

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As much as I would love to see Jones/Rumble, IMO they HAVE to send a message that this is unacceptable.

The NSAC and Zuffa would both lose any credibility they have left if they let this slide.

It'll be interesting over the coming days how this plays out.

I feel for Rumble as well.
 

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Thanks ErikMagraken @ErikMagraken. The silence speaks volumes to me. I think they may be leaning towards letting him fight...which would be a PR disaster, if they didn't control the media. But since they do, who knows...maybe no one even questions it.
 
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if the ufc takes any action against jones its either a fine or a suspension after the fight.
 

teamquestnorth

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I think if the NSAC was truly concerned, they would have had a drug tester waiting outside of the county jail for when he got out.

I still don't think he's been tested since the hit and run. Unless he was at the jail by the police.
 

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They better send a message with this. Otherwise I'm coking up and starting to drive rental cars
 

lookoutawhale

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I dont think the UFC will punish Jones. Hes their money maker in a time of bad ppv's.

Silva got popped and they kept him on TUF to cash in on the drama.
 
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I dont think the UFC will punish Jones. Hes their money maker in a time of bad ppv's.

Silva got popped and they kept him on TUF to cash in on the drama.
just a six month suspension after the fight, so he only loses 2 months or so
 

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Thanks ErikMagraken @ErikMagraken. The silence speaks volumes to me. I think they may be leaning towards letting him fight...which would be a PR disaster, if they didn't control the media. But since they do, who knows...maybe no one even questions it.
I'm not so sure it will be a PR disaster to let him fight. It certainly would be if, say, the pregnant lady was seriously injured. I just don't know if what happened is enough to cause uproar. Sports are filled with unwise, immature and low character people. There's a scandal at least once a month in one of the major sports. The public rarely demands steep punishment, and even when they do, it all lands on the offender, not his team or anybody else. Take Ray Rice, for example. It took video of the incident to really get Ray in trouble with the team, and although the Ravens let him go, he appealed and won the decision to indefinitely suspend him. It's pretty likely another team will pick him up.

Is the Jones incident even on that level? What prevents Zuffa from just turning up the notch slightly on the reprimand dial (make him go to a real rehab, for instance), and put out some more perfunctory PR like "We're very shocked at this news and Jon understands this time how serious this is", etc etc?

I'm certainly not defending him, but just going by what has happened in the past (esp. the very similar Rampage incident), and what it takes for an incident to qualify as a genuine disaster in other sports (Michael Vick, for instance), I'm leaning more towards this not being a hail storm. I think another rehab card will be played (a real one this time), possibly a fine, but that otherwise it will be business as usual. 187 will go on as planned.
 

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Like the Ray Rice affair the court decision is a red herring, they have his signature on the rental agreement and an eye witness to the fact he ran from the scene and supposedly can ID him. So unless it was his doppelganger he had driving around to give him an alibi while robbing banks, the most that can happen is a reduction/plea. I guess you could argue someone forged the signature, but I bet there is video at the rental place of him driving off in that thing or at least taking the keys/signing the agreement.

Furthermore the Rice video came to light AFTER the slap on the wrist legally which made tying the legal result and lack there of punishment wise to the NFL action a non-issue as well.

The conduct policy is an elastic band with tiers to it that is questionable at best here but if they want it to ever mean ANYTHING, they need to do something here.
 

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I dont think the UFC will punish Jones. Hes their money maker in a time of bad ppv's.

Silva got popped and they kept him on TUF to cash in on the drama.
Hit the nail on the head. Anyone else they would've been cut, called a moron by Dana, been blasted publicly, etc etc. Dana is a bitch ass and the UFC is turning into a Joke. They used to be the standard for mma and used to make mma proud now they are killing it and making it look stupid as hell.
 

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While I' m a VERY strong believer in " innocent until PROVEN guilty, " I think UFC really needs to send a message that, no matter who you are, this type of behavior won't be tolerated. Hope Jones doesn't think he's above the law, but, regardless of the criminal situation, UFC needs to man-up and show the world they are the quality organization they profess to be. Suspension is in order, with a tough road to reinstatement.
Remains to be seen if the $$$ win out.
 

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I'm not so sure it will be a PR disaster to let him fight. It certainly would be if, say, the pregnant lady was seriously injured. I just don't know if what happened is enough to cause uproar. Sports are filled with unwise, immature and low character people. There's a scandal at least once a month in one of the major sports. The public rarely demands steep punishment, and even when they do, it all lands on the offender, not his team or anybody else. Take Ray Rice, for example. It took video of the incident to really get Ray in trouble with the team, and although the Ravens let him go, he appealed and won the decision to indefinitely suspend him. It's pretty likely another team will pick him up.

Is the Jones incident even on that level? What prevents Zuffa from just turning up the notch slightly on the reprimand dial (make him go to a real rehab, for instance), and put out some more perfunctory PR like "We're very shocked at this news and Jon understands this time how serious this is", etc etc?

I'm certainly not defending him, but just going by what has happened in the past (esp. the very similar Rampage incident), and what it takes for an incident to qualify as a genuine disaster in other sports (Michael Vick, for instance), I'm leaning more towards this not being a hail storm. I think another rehab card will be played (a real one this time), possibly a fine, but that otherwise it will be business as usual. 187 will go on as planned.
If any members of the MMA media had some balls, letting him fight would be a shit storm. Hit & Run, grabbing a stack of cash before bolting, weed in the car, hiding out for 2 days, etc. How does the UFC's Code of Conduct policy address those things? How can you let a guy fight 5 days after being charged w/ a felony, in a crash that injured a pregnant woman? This is after the guy tested positive for coke and only did 24 hours in rehab, which you (the UFC) commended him for. What kind of message does this send? When do you draw a line in the sand, and say integrity and personal accountability is more important than PPV buys?

The above should be the talking points, if everyone in the MMA media weren't scared shitless of losing their press credentials & job. If guys like Pat Forde, Jeff Goodman, and Pete Thamel started covering MMA, the entire landscape of how the UFC is covered would change. Real questions would get asked, and real issues would be brought to light.
 
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Wild @I Wild Each It shit, responsibility lies with us fans too. If he's allowed to go ahead with his fight and we buy it... we're enabling it. We're saying it is ok with our wallets.

Well fuck that. I won't.
 

WoodenPupa

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The conduct policy is an elastic band with tiers to it that is questionable at best here but if they want it to ever mean ANYTHING, they need to do something here.
They will try to have it both ways, like every money-making entity does when facing an ethics uproar. All they need to do is make it seem like they care. So there will be punishment, but not the kind that can really affect UFC's pockets.

There is always the honesty card to play, if needed. Think Marion Barry here. The public loves a good confession, a little sobbing, followed by some charity work and so on. Of course, this card is never played with truly full honesty. The skeletons in the closet run 50 deep in these cases, and we're only given a glimpse of one or two.

Two things about the incident help Jones here IMO.

First, it's not provably coke-related (yet, or as far as I know. Can they do a hair test?). They found marijuana, a drug with an unquestionably better rep (as we all know, the UFC's primary fight caller is an avowed user). So Jones can say he wasn't high on coke at the time of the crash, and furthermore that he wasn't even high on pot---he just had it in the car.

Second, he can say he ran because he panicked. As lots of people have pointed out (here and elsewhere), for the best legal results it's simply a fact that your best bet is running from an accident, in virtually every scenario. But especially in those scenarios when you're DUI, whatever the substance may be. So they won't be able to prove he was high, and he can say he just ran because he wasn't thinking straight.

The UFC won't do anything serious until the courts sort it all out. They have no reason to, and the overwhelming precedence, in all sports, is that the powers that be will protect their money interests. The name of the game is simply to appear outraged and to do PR accordingly. Charges will be reduced to misdemeanor, Jon will do actual rehab (for pot---not coke! I can hear it now---"I switched to pot because it helped me calm my nerves after training; I never drove while high though"), pay some fines, do some charity work, and get "suspended" for 6 months after UFC 187 goes down as planned. Maybe Jones gets sued and settles out of court.

I could be totally off, of course. Maybe he gets burned at the stake. I'm just going by precedence and by what Zuffa's motivation actually is, to protect their money. This "moral turpitude" b.s. is just standard rhetoric, like stuff you see in any company manual. Yes, they'll take serious action, but only if they have to, and certainly not any action at all before they absolutely have to.
 

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If the UFC goes ahead and allows King of Coke to fight then they have degraded themselves to the level of an indy wrestling organization. They scream they are on the same level as the other pro sports but they are far from it. No other sport would look the other way with a player that is high on drugs, injures another person in an obvious DUI then runs from the scene and is hidden until the drugs are out of his system, which btw i wouldnt be at all shocked if the UFC coached him to hide. Fellows we are witnessing history, the UFC is making a big fool of themselves if they dont do anything and allow King of Coke to fight. For those who say oh this and oh that, what if it was your wife or daughter that was hit by this out of control wreckless drug binger?
 
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UFC controls the media, so not much is coming out
 

WoodenPupa

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So unless it was his doppelganger he had driving around to give him an alibi while robbing banks, the most that can happen is a reduction/plea. I guess you could argue someone forged the signature, but I bet there is video at the rental place of him driving off in that thing or at least taking the keys/signing the agreement.
FWIW my take on this is that driving the car isn't something he'll deny. Certainly they have him nailed on this. But he escaped what would have been far worse, finding coke on him/in him (so to speak). They can't prove he was inebriated, and what remains is cookie crumbs---"made a bad decision", "panicked and ran", "got distracted while driving", "under a lot of stress" and so on.

That said....a Doppleganger defense would be truly gold. "Your honor, I've been shadowed by an imposter for years. I've been too embarrassed to say anything about it because you know, being the UFC champ I thought I could tackle this problem head-on. But really, let me say how sorry I am for this doppleganger. It really is my fault that I have this doppleganger problem. It all started with my visit to Russia..."