Society The Donald J. Trump Show - 4 more years editions

Welcome to our Community
Wanting to join the rest of our members? Feel free to Sign Up today.
Sign up

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
Republicans Scrap Rule For Small-Business Retirement Plans
Senate Republicans voted Wednesday night to rescind an Obama-era policy that allows states to offer retirement savings plans to millions of workers.

Retiree and worker protection groups say the move will hurt employees at small businesses.

Many small businesses say they can't afford to set up retirement savings plans, such as 401(k) plans, for their workers. That's a big reason why so many Americans aren't saving, says Cristina Martin Firvida, the AARP's director of government affairs.

"There are 55 million Americans who have no way to save for their retirement at work," Firvida says.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
I dont understand how Americans can afford to have kids?

And then add on no paid parental leave, you guys got it tough.


Pregnancy to cost 425% more under Donald Trump's health plan compared to Obamacare


A quote worth noting:

The President has tried to make clear that provisions for people with illnesses such as cancer and diabetes will not be reduced, saying earlier this week the new healthcare plan “will be every bit as good on pre-existing conditions as Obamacare”.
So Trump's bill will be as good as Obamacare?

I thought Obamacare was shit?
 

Zeph

TMMAC Addict
Jan 22, 2015
24,355
31,946

seekntruth

#keepladyhands
First 100
Jan 18, 2015
5,788
9,053


Good stuff. Liberals, are in general, such smug know it alls. They think they speak for everyone. Lol
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
He was correct, we have Obamacare...nothing remotely close to a one payer system.


Anybody with at least one eye can see that's where we're headed. But until then, Obamacare isn't it.

So if Universal Healthcare is better than Obamacare, why not move in that direction?

Do you think more or less American's are going to be happy under "Trumpcare"?
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
Sanders to Trump: 'We'll quote you' on support for universal healthcare
"That's great. Let's take a look at the Australian healthcare system. Maybe he wants to take a look at the Canadian healthcare system or systems throughout Europe," Sanders, an advocate of a single-payer system, told MSNBC's Chris Hayes.

"Thank you, Mr. President. Let us move to a Medicare-for-all system that does what every other major country on earth does – guarantee healthcare to all people at a fraction of the cost per-capita that we spend. Thank you, Mr. President. We'll quote you on the floor of the Senate," he added.
 

seekntruth

#keepladyhands
First 100
Jan 18, 2015
5,788
9,053
So if Universal Healthcare is better than Obamacare, why not move in that direction?
Because most politicians are chickenshit. They placate vs. taking a hard stand one way or another. Just my opinion.

Do you think more or less American's are going to be happy under "Trumpcare"?
Of the people in my life, most will be happier if their premiums go down. Tbd though, no one knows the real world effect yet obviously. It's got to get through the senate first. I'm happier, because I choose to pay the fine vs. not carrying useless high deductible insurance...that will be gone as far as I know.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
I'm happier, because I choose to pay the fine vs. not carrying useless high deductible insurance...that will be gone as far as I know.
I could be wrong but I think the 'fine' will just now be built into your costs when you eventually have to re sign up for medical insurance. It will happen eventually you will need to get some medical and when you do, instead of a fine, your premiums will just have a 'previously uninsured' fee built into it.

(Or at least that is what I think was first proposed)
 

seekntruth

#keepladyhands
First 100
Jan 18, 2015
5,788
9,053
I could be wrong but I think the 'fine' will just now be built into your costs when you eventually have to re sign up for medical insurance. It will happen eventually you will need to get some medical and when you do, instead of a fine, your premiums will just have a 'previously uninsured' fee built into it.

(Or at least that is what I think was first proposed)
Yeah well I don't plan on signing up. I haven't had health insurance in 13 years by choice. I pay cash as I go. If at some point I do, I'd prefer a catastrophic plan. I don't need government oversight on my office visits and such.
 

Freeloading Rusty

Here comes Rover, sniffin’ at your ass
Jan 11, 2016
26,916
26,588
Yeah well I don't plan on signing up. I haven't had health insurance in 13 years by choice. I pay cash as I go. If at some point I do, I'd prefer a catastrophic plan. I don't need government oversight on my office visits and such.
That seems so crazy to me as a Canadian.

I need something done, I get it done. I dont have to break the bank or worry about paying if I get sick.

It might take a bit longer to get shit done but it gets done.
 

Yossarian

TMMAC Addict
Oct 25, 2015
13,489
19,117
So if Universal Healthcare is better than Obamacare, why not move in that direction?

Do you think more or less American's are going to be happy under "Trumpcare"?
Because healthcare is industrialized just like our prison system here. It's a money grab each step of the way. It is very hard to insure that. Also, insurance goes through work here. The costs need to go down before we can have a similar healtcare insurance on par with Australia or European countries.

Obamacare is a parody, Trump care is a lighter version of that, but it is not going anywhere. Nor do I expect improvements anytime soon. Too much money to be made. Industries control politicians who control us.
 

seekntruth

#keepladyhands
First 100
Jan 18, 2015
5,788
9,053
That seems so crazy to me as a Canadian.

I need something done, I get it done. I dont have to break the bank or worry about paying if I get sick.

It might take a bit longer to get shit done but it gets done.
I haven't broken the bank, and If you add up the premiums, $300ish(being conservative) average a month x 12 months x 13 years it's a no brainer to me. I've probably spent no more than $2000-$3000 out of pocket on Dr. and Rx costs in that time. It's not ideal if something major happens with my health, I'd probably have to resort to Credit Cards, but I'm a problem solver, I don't rely on others to figure my issues out for me.

My quality of life is great, if I need to see a doctor I do. There are practices that give you deep discounts if paying cash, you just have to do some research.
 

Zeph

TMMAC Addict
Jan 22, 2015
24,355
31,946
I don't understand why you don't all back Sanders push for medicare for all? Medicare sets the minimum prices currently in the U.S. system as it is the largest buyer, and insurance companies negotiate off it using medicare as a baseline, but are multiples on the cost of medicare. An increased medicare would be able to negotiate even lower costs, cut out a lot of the middlemen who raise the cost of healthcare, and you wouldn't be paying anymore than currently, mostly.
 

tang

top korean roofer
Oct 21, 2015
9,398
12,391
Most 1st world countries health care is free or cheap ass fuck and has good coverage. US is one of the wealthiest countries and tens millions people struggle with having / not having health care.
 

KWingJitsu

ยาเม็ดสีแดงหรือสีฟ้ายา?
Nov 15, 2015
10,311
12,689
I don't understand why you don't all back Sanders push for medicare for all? Medicare sets the minimum prices currently in the U.S. system as it is the largest buyer, and insurance companies negotiate off it using medicare as a baseline, but are multiples on the cost of medicare. An increased medicare would be able to negotiate even lower costs, cut out a lot of the middlemen who raise the cost of healthcare, and you wouldn't be paying anymore than currently, mostly.
Obamacare is a bridge to Universal care. Even Obama made that clear when it was obvious Universal care wouldn't pass.

TrumpCare is worse than Obamacare on every single front. Even though it will fail, I kind of want it to pass so people can start dying from it. :smilingimp:
Seeing how his supporters will be the ones most affected. There would be tremendous irony in that. Sad.