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Onetrickpony

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Bad Boys, Bad Boys what ya gonna do when they come for you.

As Frank Mir and Jessica Penne fall foul of USADA’s retesting program, Iain Kidd explains how the system works.
by Iain Kidd@iainkidd May 15, 2017, 11:00am EDT REC
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First, we were informed that USADA retested previously submitted samples from Frank Mir, subsequently finding further evidence of turinabol use. Then, just a few weeks later, we were alerted that USADA discovered a prohibited substance in a sample of Jessica Penne’s that had also been previously declared clean.

Retesting of old anti-doping samples has also been in the news outside of MMA over the last year; many Russian athletes who doped at the 2008 and 2012 Olympics were caught by the retesting of old samples, including over a dozen medalists.

The most sophisticated dopers have always looked to stay one step ahead of the testing regime. They create a substance that has no test, and as soon as a test becomes available, develop something new. The increased emphasis on retesting means even athletes who stay one step ahead are at risk of being caught when their old samples are tested using new methods.

I reached out to USADA Communications Manager Ryan Madden to find out exactly how the UFC’s retesting program is run. Here’s what they had to say (interview edited for clarity).

Under what circumstances will USADA go back and retest old samples?

In accordance with the policy (Section 6.5), samples may be stored and, at USADA’s discretion, may be subject to further analysis at any time for the obvious purpose of detecting prohibited substances or methods. It’s an important part of the program and plays a big role in deterring athletes from any potential use. It’s also worth remembering that there is a 10-year statute of limitations – after that we can no longer conduct any re-testing.

As already seen, one fairly common reason that we’ll go back and re-test a sample is when WADA-accredited laboratories implement new analyses or instrumentation that allows for longer detection windows or the detection of additional prohibited substances and/or their metabolites. We’ll also of course take into account any newly-acquired intelligence that leads us to believe re-testing is an appropriate course of action.

Based on biomarkers identified through Athlete Biological Passport (ABP) evaluation, USADA may also request that a sample be reanalyzed for additional substances, such as Erythropoiesis Stimulating Agents (ESAs), IRMS, and Growth Hormone Releasing Factors that aren’t included in standard urine screens.

It’s worth noting that our science team thoroughly evaluates every Adverse Analytical Finding (AAF), the possible source of it and any prior samples to better determine the ingestion time-frame of the prohibited substance. This benefits the athlete and USADA as we seek to establish the source, degree of fault and the potential of a sanction.

How many retests can we expect to see going forward?

We don’t have a specific number of retests, but we plan on doing as many as our resources allow. We remain flexible on this number because we like to see how the program unfolds throughout the year and if any other factors come into play, such as ABP data, information received through investigations, and improvements at WADA-accredited labs.

What kind of new testing protocols have been developed recently that may be used on old samples?

So the best known examples of new analyses are those that detect long-term stanozolol, oxandrolone and dehydrochlormethyltestosterone (DHCMT). Along with these, many new SARMS have been included in standard urine screens and the sensitivity for detection of these substances has improved significantly using LC-MS/MS.

How are new tests certified for use and implemented?

One great advantage of using WADA-accredited labs is that new compounds can be included in urine detection methodology fairly easily; it’s just a matter of making sure that a certified reference compound is available, so as to accurately confirm any positive test, and incorporating it into the standard laboratory operating procedures.

Cont.

USADA’s sample retesting program explained
 

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Double jeopardy type shit... who's to say that weren't tampered with before retesting.. if you're gonna test, do it right the first time, gtfoh with that shit..
 

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Double jeopardy type shit... who's to say that weren't tampered with before retesting.. if you're gonna test, do it right the first time, gtfoh with that shit..
It's not that they didn't do it right the first time. This is specifically to deter people from using by way of "getting ahead of the game" and using substances that can't yet be detected.

As for the samples potentially being tampered with, they can do that on the first test. There's always the risk of that, and that risk isn't brought upon by keeping the samples and re-testing them. Also, why would they tamper with them? There's no real utility to that.

ErikMagraken @ErikMagraken and Lucas Middlebrook (of Nick Diaz hearing fame) both spoke on Twitter today explaining that this is not double jeopardy. The fighters sign a contract that acknowledges the ability to re-test for 10 years. To quote Erik "Their powers are based on contract law. The contract specifically allows old samples to be retested."
 

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It's not that they didn't do it right the first time. This is specifically to deter people from using by way of "getting ahead of the game" and using substances that can't yet be detected.

As for the samples potentially being tampered with, they can do that on the first test. There's always the risk of that, and that risk isn't brought upon by keeping the samples and re-testing them. Also, why would they tamper with them? There's no real utility to that.

ErikMagraken @ErikMagraken and Lucas Middlebrook (of Nick Diaz hearing fame) both spoke on Twitter today explaining that this is not double jeopardy. The fighters sign a contract that acknowledges the ability to re-test for 10 years. To quote Erik "Their powers are based on contract law. The contract specifically allows old samples to be retested."
Just seems kind of fucky from the outside looking in...
 

Andrewsimar Palhardass

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Just seems kind of fucky from the outside looking in...
I can definitely see that, and it sucks for people who know they may have been dirty last year and they have to fight with that anxiety for the rest of their career, but I can also totally see how it would work to deter. People who can beat today's tests now also have to worry about tomorrow's tests, and I'd like to think that anything that exists now will eventually be able to catch with the proper testing in the future.
 

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I can definitely see that, and it sucks for people who know they may have been dirty last year and they have to fight with that anxiety for the rest of their career, but I can also totally see how it would work to deter. People who can beat today's tests now also have to worry about tomorrow's tests, and I'd like to think that anything that exists now will eventually be able to catch with the proper testing in the future.
Yep a new PED comes out every month...very easy to be ahead of the testing.
 
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My sex slave made a great point. I gave her the rundown and she asked "is there a statue of limitations and would you get in trouble if the drug you used previously wasnt banned at the time"

Say theres some HGH type stuff out right now that usada has no idea about but gets you jacked or your recovery time better or whatever and you piss or give blood. Then you have your fight. Then in 6 months that becomes a banned sustance regardless if they have a test and two years from now they test this old sample and see this piss is dirty. Would you get an exemption because it wasnt banned at the time but was still a obvious steroid?
 

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There is no double jeopardy here. The contract gives them power to do so. Popular or not, this is not legally controversial.
 

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Let the contract expire and put the onus back on the state athletic commissions.
LOL @ the State Commissions doing ANYTHING right. Those turd burglars do whatever the highest paying customer tells them to do...
 

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Do you think that's realistic? I don't see a way they get rid of it without it looking really shady, and opening them up to lawsuits down the road when guys get CTE.
Not just that. Getting a legitimate following from the outside world needs a sporting base that isnt the promotor fighter mentality. Boxing suffers from this. To get a fully legitimate sport recognised by more people they need a governing body that is as neutral as possible and a testing program. Otherwise people arent gonna buy it. In this world people are hunting atheletes using so called "PED's" and the public lap it up. Look at Armstrong. He won 7 TDF titles, he is clearly an incredible bike rider with or with EPO/testosterone. A one in a million bike rider. But now he is villified, I think rightly so, but it doesnt take a man from the couch to winning a race of that magnitude... you have to be incredibly talented to start with. Yet the public dismiss him as nothing, not even considering his athletic prowess.

Maybe a bad example as I think Armstrong should rot in hell for the damage he did to the image of "clean" and ethical sport. But you can see my point
 

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Just seems kind of fucky from the outside looking in...
I disagree. I like it.

I do worry about sample contamination though, but they are learning and getting better at every turn. WADA in Athletics just ruined Russia with this style retesting uncovering the systematic doping. So I am for it, but I like clean sport... others may disagree.
 

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There is no double jeopardy here. The contract gives them power to do so. Popular or not, this is not legally controversial.
Another reason why fighters need a union. A lot of people just focus on revenue sharing, but things like discipline and arbitration are usually part of any collective bargaining agreement. Right now USADA's contractually stipulated guidelines are solely to benefit UFC PR. Collective fighter negotiation could alter that clause.
 

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Another reason why fighters need a union. A lot of people just focus on revenue sharing, but things like discipline and arbitration are usually part of any collective bargaining agreement. Right now USADA's contractually stipulated guidelines are solely to benefit UFC PR. Collective fighter negotiation could alter that clause.
The only person it benefits is USADA. If a bunch of fighters test positive (especially if some are champs) it's looks bad for the UFC and it's a huge scheduling problem for fights.

If a guy tests positive from 6 years ago do you fine and suspend him now? With the problems the UFC are currently having those aren't questions that they will want to answer.
 

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Another reason why fighters need a union. A lot of people just focus on revenue sharing, but things like discipline and arbitration are usually part of any collective bargaining agreement. Right now USADA's contractually stipulated guidelines are solely to benefit UFC PR. Collective fighter negotiation could alter that clause.
I have a feeling the fighters would not fight to lower USADA's chances of catching someone. I could be wrong, but it seems like a lot of guys are happy about this. Could just be their own projections of innocence, but if they go after anything with the USADA situation I think it could be the whole "tell them where you are at all times" thing.
 

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The only person it benefits is USADA. If a bunch of fighters test positive (especially if some are champs) it's looks bad for the UFC and it's a huge scheduling problem for fights.

If a guy tests positive from 6 years ago do you fine and suspend him now? With the problems the UFC are currently having those aren't questions that they will want to answer.
How does it benefit USADA, aside from allowing them to do their job better?

It benefits the UFC because it is imperative that they market a clean sport, especially in the mainstream.

It benefits the clean fighters, because they don't have to spend their whole training camp working their ass off only to run into a TRT Vitor-esque superhuman. We talk all the time about how some guys completely lost it after USADA. That goes to show what they've done to maintain something that is as close to an even playing field as possible.