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Freeloading Rusty

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The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.
The U.S. fertility rate just hit a historic low. Why some demographers are freaking out.

The United States is in the midst of what some worry is a baby crisis. The number of women giving birth has been declining for years and just hit a historic low. If the trend continues — and experts disagree on whether it will — the country could face economic and cultural turmoil.

According to provisional 2016 population data released by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Friday, the number of births fell 1 percent from a year earlier, bringing the general fertility rate to 62.0 births per 1,000 women ages 15 to 44. The trend is being driven by a decline in birthrates for teens and 20-somethings. The birthrate for women in their 30s and 40s increased — but not enough to make up for the lower numbers in their younger peers.

A country's birthrate is among the most important measures of demographic health. The number needs to be within a certain range, called the “replacement level,” to keep a population stable so that it neither grows nor shrinks. If too low, there's a danger that we wouldn't be able to replace the aging workforce and have enough tax revenue to keep the economy stable. Countries such as France and Japan that have low birthrates have put pro-family policies into place to try to encourage couples to have babies. The flip side can also be a problem. Birthrates that are too high can strain resources such as clean water, food, shelter and social services, problems faced by India, where the fertility rate has fallen over the past few decades but still remains high.

The debate now is about whether the United States is headed toward a “national emergency,” as some have feared, or whether this is a blip and the birthrate will level off soon.
 

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I'm pretty sure the US birth rate is still ok compared to most of western Europe Japan and I'll include Canada. Very low birth rates.

The west is disappearing. And willingly.
People are just not having kids at all.
That's what scary.

I remember reading an article that highlighted the fact that many of the G8 leaders don't have children themselves : France Italy Germany and Great Britain. This is very symbolic.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I'm pretty sure the US birth rate is still ok compared to most of western Europe Japan and I'll include Canada. Very low birth rates.

The west is disappearing. And willingly.
People are just not having kids at all.
That's what scary.

I remember reading an article that highlighted the fact that many of the G8 leaders don't have children themselves : France Italy Germany and Great Britain. This is very symbolic.
I think the difference between Canada and USA having low birthrates is the loss of 'culture'. Canada is proudly multicultural and doesnt have a Canadian identity based off genetic make up it is concerned about maintaining, I am not so sure the same can be said of America.
 

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let's replace the aging workforce with robots and implement a Universal Basic Income.
 
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I remember reading an article that highlighted the fact that many of the G8 leaders don't have children themselves : France Italy Germany and Great Britain. This is very symbolic.

And then there's my man...

 

otaku1

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I think the difference between Canada and USA having low birthrates is the loss of 'culture'. Canada is proudly multicultural and doesnt have a Canadian identity based off genetic make up it is concerned about maintaining, I am not so sure the same can be said of America.
I beg to disagree. That's the koolaid they serve you in Canada. And it's false.

I shall remind you that multiculturalism is a policy enacted by Trudeau senior in the 60s or 70s iirc in order to win the immigrant vote back then that consisted mostly of Italians Greeks and Portuguese.
Drive around in Canada (not just the pc leftists hotspots of Vancouver Toronto and Montreal) and you'll notice that yes people are attached to an idea of Canada with British/French roots.

And it's absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with that.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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I beg to disagree. That's the koolaid they serve you in Canada. And it's false.

I shall remind you that multiculturalism is a policy enacted by Trudeau senior in the 60s or 70s iirc in order to win the immigrant vote back then that consisted mostly of Italians Greeks and Portuguese.
Drive around in Canada (not just the pc leftists hotspots of Vancouver Toronto and Montreal) and you'll notice that yes people are attached to an idea of Canada with British/French roots.

And it's absolutely fine. Nothing wrong with that.
is that the majority of Canadians who hold those views?
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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The west is disappearing. And willingly.
People are just not having kids at all.
That's what scary.
I don't think it's willingly. For my wife and I having kids is a serious financial concern. The cost of living is far outpacing wage growth, and being able to provide for our future kids is most definitely a concern of ours even though we have what most would consider to be "good jobs". Our economy is currently set up that dual income households are almost a necessity and that the only people who can afford to have large families are extremely rich (because they're rich) or extremely poor (and do it through government handouts) The middle class doesn't have enough to do well, and isn't poor enough to get help.

I remember reading an article that highlighted the fact that many of the G8 leaders don't have children themselves : France Italy Germany and Great Britain. This is very symbolic.
This to me is a separate issue although related. Women who want to have successful careers (medical, law, politics, etc) in large part need to do it at the expense of having families.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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For real?
Yes.

The "Melting Pot vs Mosaic" concept is a myth that was created by PET to get immigrant votes (as was pointed out by otaku1 @otaku1 ) Neither concept has anything to do with abandoning your culture or history. One suggests that you put your new home ahead of your old one, the other says your new home should play second fiddle. The concepts aren't nearly as different as Canadians have falsely been taught to believe. Contrary to popular belief by people who don't live in America, there's room for everyone there just as there is here, or anywhere else in the world. But don't just take my word for it. Listen to the wise words of WWE superstar, 16 time champion, and future WWE Hall of Famer John Cena as he speaks about America and patriotism:

 

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I don't think it's willingly. For my wife and I having kids is a serious financial concern. The cost of living is far outpacing wage growth, and being able to provide for our future kids is most definitely a concern of ours even though we have what most would consider to be "good jobs". Our economy is currently set up that dual income households are almost a necessity and that the only people who can afford to have large families are extremely rich (because they're rich) or extremely poor (and do it through government handouts) The middle class doesn't have enough to do well, and isn't poor enough to get help.
You're starting to get woke. Now you need to read up about what economic theories have been running Western society since the late 70s - early 80s
 

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Our economy is currently set up that dual income households are almost a necessity and that the only people who can afford to have large families are extremely rich (because they're rich) or extremely poor (and do it through government handouts) The middle class doesn't have enough to do well, and isn't poor enough to get help.
Just have your kids man, dont let bullshit economic hypothesis stand in the way of your key biological reason for being here.

Ive raised two on what was a single income family and now a single income supporting two households, kids have been overseas 8 times, want for nothing, good schools, both tallest in their grade (I know "for now" but just saying they cant be malnutritioned).
 

Disciplined Galt

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Just have your kids man, dont let bullshit economic hypothesis stand in the way of your key biological reason for being here.

Ive raised two on what was a single income family and now a single income supporting two households, kids have been overseas 8 times, want for nothing, good schools, both tallest in their grade (I know "for now" but just saying they cant be malnutritioned).
Sort of the problem with the west. Over thinking having kids. Problem is that it's the smart people doing it, or is it?
 

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That article was very weird. It cites unnamed demographers "freaking out" about population decline, but doesn't mention a single one who has that concern. In fact, every one they cite says exactly the opposite, i.e. that the decrease among teens and 20-somethings is generally a positive trend.
 

Disciplined Galt

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That article was very weird. It cites unnamed demographers "freaking out" about population decline, but doesn't mention a single one who has that concern. In fact, every one they cite says exactly the opposite, i.e. that the decrease among teens and 20-somethings is generally a positive trend.
Don't want violins.