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He wanted to be the Michael Jordan of the UFC. Then he got in trouble with drugs, cursed out a cop on camera and hit a pregnant driver. You think he's repenting?

Think again.


MIKE SAGER
JULY 13, 2017

"When they put me in there, it let me know where I didn't want to be," Jones tells me, in one of three extended conversations with B/R Mag over a two-week period, his first in-depth interviews since 2014. He has large brown eyes and a scar on his forehead from where his brother, Arthur—who would grow up to win a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens—once hit him with a soda can so hard the can exploded. (Arthur says he got the same in return; their parents had to drive them both to the emergency room.)

Nearly seven years ago, at age 23, Jones became the youngest man to ever win a UFC championship. Now facing age 30, with a 22-1 record and a mountain of controversy behind him, he says he has seen the light.

"I think my problem, when I first got into the game, was I wanted to be a saint—like, literally," Jones says. "I thought I had to be a real goodie-goodie. I'm at a place now where I realize that the fans don't really care if you're a good boy or a bad boy. They just want you to be responsible, you know? Hitting a pregnant woman and taking off running is not responsible. Taking a dick pill is not being responsible."

Never had the consequences of his actions been more obvious to him, Jones says, than during his three-day stay in jail. According to authorities, he was removed from the general jail population for his own protection.

"You're used to living the good life, you're doing work you love, you have a big-ass house. And then you have all your shit taken away. It's just you and a suit that doesn't fit, and socks that are dingy, pillowcases that have somebody else's sweat stains still on them. And the flip-flops that fucking don't cover the heel of your foot. Or showering when people can watch you..."

His voice trails off.

"It was a terrible experience, but it was all I needed," Jones says. "I finally realized at this point in my life how much I took for granted."

....

Now, sitting on the mat inside the Octagon, Jones scoffs at the suggestion that Cormier is any sort of special rival. "When people ask me why I have so much animosity towards him, I say I really don't," he says. "Daniel is no greater than anybody else I've beat by unanimous decision.

"With Daniel, when we argue, I usually get the last laugh. I literally don't hate him. I just don't think he's very bright, verbally speaking. He's all mad at me because he doesn't get my jokes.

"I really just want to whoop his ass because of how much he hates me. I beat him, and he has the championship belt by default. It's time to get back in there and fight."

....


Jones doesn't skip a beat: "As far as me doing coke before a fight, that's not me trying to be a bad guy. That's me frickin' doing a bump—you know, at a party. The truth of the matter is, you'd be surprised how many people have done coke. I've been around some of the greatest athletes in the country. Athletes with a lot bigger names than me do coke. But people don't talk about it.

"I just like to have a good time, man," Jones says. "If you can afford to smoke a little weed, and do a little coke, and still win world titles, who's to tell you you can't? I understand these things are illegal. And once you get caught doing it, it's humiliating. But at the same time, I'm not an addict or anything like that. You don't see me walking around weighing fucking 100 pounds with my teeth rotting out and scabs all over my face."

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I only posted about 25% of the entire article out of respect for the author. I'd encourage everyone to read it in it's entirety though, because it's really well done.
 

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Jones is a douche and always will but he also fights for a living so he doesn't need to be Mother Theresa.

Jon Jones the undisputed #1 G.O.A.T he's whipping DC and anyone else they give him.
 
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He wanted to be the Michael Jordan of the UFC. Then he got in trouble with drugs, cursed out a cop on camera and hit a pregnant driver. You think he's repenting?

Think again.


MIKE SAGER
JULY 13, 2017

"When they put me in there, it let me know where I didn't want to be," Jones tells me, in one of three extended conversations with B/R Mag over a two-week period, his first in-depth interviews since 2014. He has large brown eyes and a scar on his forehead from where his brother, Arthur—who would grow up to win a Super Bowl with the Baltimore Ravens—once hit him with a soda can so hard the can exploded. (Arthur says he got the same in return; their parents had to drive them both to the emergency room.)

Nearly seven years ago, at age 23, Jones became the youngest man to ever win a UFC championship. Now facing age 30, with a 22-1 record and a mountain of controversy behind him, he says he has seen the light.

"I think my problem, when I first got into the game, was I wanted to be a saint—like, literally," Jones says. "I thought I had to be a real goodie-goodie. I'm at a place now where I realize that the fans don't really care if you're a good boy or a bad boy. They just want you to be responsible, you know? Hitting a pregnant woman and taking off running is not responsible. Taking a dick pill is not being responsible."

Never had the consequences of his actions been more obvious to him, Jones says, than during his three-day stay in jail. According to authorities, he was removed from the general jail population for his own protection.

"You're used to living the good life, you're doing work you love, you have a big-ass house. And then you have all your shit taken away. It's just you and a suit that doesn't fit, and socks that are dingy, pillowcases that have somebody else's sweat stains still on them. And the flip-flops that fucking don't cover the heel of your foot. Or showering when people can watch you..."

His voice trails off.

"It was a terrible experience, but it was all I needed," Jones says. "I finally realized at this point in my life how much I took for granted."

....

Now, sitting on the mat inside the Octagon, Jones scoffs at the suggestion that Cormier is any sort of special rival. "When people ask me why I have so much animosity towards him, I say I really don't," he says. "Daniel is no greater than anybody else I've beat by unanimous decision.

"With Daniel, when we argue, I usually get the last laugh. I literally don't hate him. I just don't think he's very bright, verbally speaking. He's all mad at me because he doesn't get my jokes.

"I really just want to whoop his ass because of how much he hates me. I beat him, and he has the championship belt by default. It's time to get back in there and fight."

....


Jones doesn't skip a beat: "As far as me doing coke before a fight, that's not me trying to be a bad guy. That's me frickin' doing a bump—you know, at a party. The truth of the matter is, you'd be surprised how many people have done coke. I've been around some of the greatest athletes in the country. Athletes with a lot bigger names than me do coke. But people don't talk about it.

"I just like to have a good time, man," Jones says. "If you can afford to smoke a little weed, and do a little coke, and still win world titles, who's to tell you you can't? I understand these things are illegal. And once you get caught doing it, it's humiliating. But at the same time, I'm not an addict or anything like that. You don't see me walking around weighing fucking 100 pounds with my teeth rotting out and scabs all over my face."

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I'm happy he's no longer pretending to be some god loving choir boy when he most definitely is not. Jones may be a douche but I don't have to like he to love watching him fight.

I have to say I'm uncertain about the Cormier fight. There's a lot of variables at play here, his first fight back and how poor he looked last time against OSP, his mom dying and the mental effect it will have on him, his obvious dislike for Cormier and their rivalry and all the pressure to get the belt back. It will be an exciting night when the cage door is finally closed. Win or lose I'm uncertain if he can stay out of trouble.

There's one thing for sure though, the sport is better with him in it.
 

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The best part is the blatant 'dick pill' lie in amongst the mea culpa on not taking responsibility.
 

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I'm conflicted reading this. Part of me wants to say, "you moron why would you say that" and the other part of me wants to applaud his honesty.
Pretty much sums up Jon Jones entire career. You hate the stupid stuff he's done and at the same time love the fighter.
That said here is to hoping he gets past DC and we all get to see Jones Gustafson 2. Which I wholeheartedly think Gustafson wins.
 

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Jones is an amazing talent. When he was on his way up I considered myself to be a fan. I can't stand all the fake good guy shit. I wish he had just been himself from the start. People make mistakes, I know I have. I would have been a total fuck up if I were rich, famous, and one of the baddest dudes on the planet at such an early age. However, I hold myself accountable for my actions. Even when I was younger, I always admitted my guilt when I was caught. I will never believe that his USADA problems came from a dick pill. Sorry, I just won't. He allegedly hid under the ring to avoid a test too. That may not even be true, but given his history, I wouldn't doubt it either.

The fact is, if he comes back and keeps winning fights and staying out of trouble people will love him. He doesn't need to try and be the "mother theresa" type. Being older now has probably helped him realize that. I am still hoping Cormier can find a way to get that win, but I don't see if happening. I think Jon finishes him this time.
 

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Jones is an amazing talent. When he was on his way up I considered myself to be a fan. I can't stand all the fake good guy shit. I wish he had just been himself from the start. People make mistakes, I know I have. I would have been a total fuck up if I were rich, famous, and one of the baddest dudes on the planet at such an early age. However, I hold myself accountable for my actions. Even when I was younger, I always admitted my guilt when I was caught. I will never believe that his USADA problems came from a dick pill. Sorry, I just won't. He allegedly hid under the ring to avoid a test too. That may not even be true, but given his history, I wouldn't doubt it either.

The fact is, if he comes back and keeps winning fights and staying out of trouble people will love him. He doesn't need to try and be the "mother theresa" type. Being older now has probably helped him realize that. I am still hoping Cormier can find a way to get that win, but I don't see if happening. I think Jon finishes him this time.
Good post. Agree with most everything except Jones finishing him this time. I think it's going to be a dog fight and I'm almost leaning towards DC pulling it off somehow this time.
 

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He is the Michael Jordan of MMA.

But Michael didn't grow up with camera phone's and his chosen skill set was to beat you into a living death.

 

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I loved watching him fight but the side show became too much and the nonsense with his whacked out test ratios and then the USADA deal really has taken the gleam off............................
 
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Roll back father time till I'm back in my 20's.... Give me a few million dollars an ass load of fame
and the ability to beat the shit out of literally anyone I choose and I wouldn't be surprised If
I acted a zip damn fool. In fact its almost a god damn guarantee...
 

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He is the Michael Jordan of MMA.

But Michael didn't grow up with camera phone's and his chosen skill set was to beat you into a living death.

But JJ seems pretty obviously to have a personality disorder (article kinda confirms it, aside from the fiance character testimony, which is in line with JJ having a personality disorder).

GOAT without psychopathy is more along the lines of Anderson, imo. MJ gambled. So what. Gambling is helfy. Put hair on ya chest (and has no relation to intentionally inviting disaster into your life and getting a thrill & ego boost from getting away with it).
 

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But JJ seems pretty obviously to have a personality disorder (article kinda confirms it, aside from the fiance character testimony, which is in line with JJ having a personality disorder).

GOAT without psychopathy is more along the lines of Anderson, imo. MJ gambled. So what. Gambling is helfy. Put hair on ya chest (and has no relation to intentionally inviting disaster into your life and getting a thrill & ego boost from getting away with it).
Jordan was a nutter it wasn't just gambling.

I'm no psychologist so I can't say if JJ has a personality disorder or is a young adult in today's america and the rest of the apes.
 

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Jordan was a nutter it wasn't just gambling.

I'm no psychologist so I can't say if JJ has a personality disorder or is a young adult in today's america and the rest of the apes.
My friend, you are one prolonged encounter with a true psychopath from changing this tune, and knowing one when you see one at a glance.

It's pretty cut & dried.

The only thing that isn't is whether there's enough evidence. IMO, JJ's case, plenty of evidence. Not just him, but how the people around him speak & behave.

I play, but I do think he has a PD. So do a lot of very gifted people. There are a few things you can't be truly good at if you have a PD, and they are all things that require deep/real empathy for others. Writing (stories that move smart, literate other people) is one . Fighting isn't.
 
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Like that Jones finally realizes he doesn't have to be 'FAKE', a Mother Teresa when he's not. Admission of his behavior, saying it out loud is certainly a step in the direction he needs to go. The womanizing rumors being denied still (even when two women where in the car with the first DUI), Still going with the Dick Pill story.. shows he's not quite open and fully honest yet.

The repetitive talk of "Hoping he doesn't get in trouble again" almost begs he will. For sure still partying, drinking, smoking and the "occasional bump". Issue with that, have seen with others.... Once too much booze, bumps and smoke is ingested people tend to make BAD judgements where bad shit happens. Truly hope it doesn't for his and his families sake, but with his type of personality it's more possible than not.

No regret for the coke and still thinks it's OK even if not legal, Justifying it be saying more famous athletes than him do it. Not so smart! When a person does have $$$ and a personality like his.... Losing in the Octagon, some sort of tragedy and the need to escape can lead to more use and getting addicted and losing it all. It's happened before to the best of them and it can happen fast.
 

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If you haven't seen this, the bit where his dad talks is sort of mind blowing. Not for what he says, but the whole thing (esp body language as he says what he says).


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8lL0EItUvU


His dad is grinning a tickled grin, with no congruous feelings about it whatsoever, when he says, "[Jon] is his own worst enemy. "

Weirdest shit eva.