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otaku1

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Same. As get older Im definitely not as Right as once was, no matter how much I would like to deny it.
I'm the opposite.
I'm not quite as left wing as before.
I don't mind guns, hate what the left has become (see Leigh @Leigh 's definition), I'm not against immigration but for controlled immigration big difference) couldn't careless about that whole transgender bs toilet debate ).
I live in one of canada's left leaning centre and am now known as a right winger when I just think im an old school leftist not some pc sensitive white guilt ridden hipster.

Beware.

Lol
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I'm the opposite.
I'm not quite as left wing as before.
I don't mind guns, hate what the left has become (see Leigh @Leigh 's definition), I'm not against immigration but for controlled immigration big difference) couldn't careless about that whole transgender bs toilet debate ).
I live in one of canada's left leaning centre and am now known as a right winger when I just think im an old school leftist not some pc sensitive white guilt ridden hipster.

Beware.

Lol
I know how you feel. If you want to see something interesting look up the definition of a "Classical Liberal".
 

kneeblock

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I think this test underscores that people's personal ideology can conflict with the rhetoric they parrot or even how they vote.

Interested to see more results. Also interested to cross reference this data with people who want to see Sage Northcutt star in a remake of A Serbian Film.
 

MMAHAWK

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Honestly would have to research a few of the questions to really determine my view. But for now I guess I'm almost literally Hitler
 

otaku1

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I know how you feel. If you want to see something interesting look up the definition of a "Classical Liberal".
I just read the définition on wiki.
Very interesting.
Yes I think I'm leaning closer to classical liberalism with a touch of socialism (health care and welfare to sone extent).

You know what though? The leftists I know would freak out with this type of thinking. For them it's neo-capitalism, selfish, too pro-american.
Argh.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I just read the définition on wiki.
Very interesting.
Yes I think I'm leaning closer to classical liberalism with a touch of socialism (health care and welfare to sone extent).

You know what though? The leftists I know would freak out with this type of thinking. For them it's neo-capitalism, selfish, too pro-american.
Argh.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Where people fall on a spectrum is fluid, but the spectrum itself is static. People assume "I was a liberal before so now that my goals have been met I'm still a liberal even though my goals have shifted." but that isn't the case.
 

kneeblock

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. Where people fall on a spectrum is fluid, but the spectrum itself is static. People assume "I was a liberal before so now that my goals have been met I'm still a liberal even though my goals have shifted." but that isn't the case.
I would say that's not exactly accurate. Liberal and conservative mean very different things in sociology, political science, economics and other disciplines. Also, as certain ideas become either discursively or scientifically mainstream, the words themselves can take on different meanings.

Geography also matters considerably, as the Chinese terms liberalism and conservatism vary greatly from the west. In certain societies, because of different historical precedents, there are different givens. I know that sounds kind of culturally relativist, but language and terminology often is.

I also don't feel personal goals play into ideology as much as having an ethical framework. That's sort of the Charles Barkley argument, i.e. "now that I make a lot of money, I'm a Republican." That's a diluted and self-interested form of moral and political reasoning and is one of the great democratic flaws societies face. One can still believe in a progressive tax system as more just despite a higher percentage of their wealth extracted from them because of it. Similarly, one can support a small state, despite relying on it for entitlements, the argument being for decreased expenditures elsewhere in the state apparatus.

Where I do agree with you is that there is a lot of ideological entrenchment where people back political parties claiming to represent a particular side or quadrant of the spectrum, but not really doing so. The platforms of the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States have been all over the place since the mid-1800s on a variety of issues and they're rarely consistent ideologically on either side.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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I would say that's not exactly accurate. Liberal and conservative mean very different things in sociology, political science, economics and other disciplines. Also, as certain ideas become either discursively or scientifically mainstream, the words themselves can take on different meanings.

Geography also matters considerably, as the Chinese terms liberalism and conservatism vary greatly from the west. In certain societies, because of different historical precedents, there are different givens. I know that sounds kind of culturally relativist, but language and terminology often is.

I also don't feel personal goals play into ideology as much as having an ethical framework. That's sort of the Charles Barkley argument, i.e. "now that I make a lot of money, I'm a Republican." That's a diluted and self-interested form of moral and political reasoning and is one of the great democratic flaws societies face. One can still believe in a progressive tax system as more just despite a higher percentage of their wealth extracted from them because of it. Similarly, one can support a small state, despite relying on it for entitlements, the argument being for decreased expenditures elsewhere in the state apparatus.

Where I do agree with you is that there is a lot of ideological entrenchment where people back political parties claiming to represent a particular side or quadrant of the spectrum, but not really doing so. The platforms of the Republican and Democratic parties in the United States have been all over the place since the mid-1800s on a variety of issues and they're rarely consistent ideologically on either side.
I'm being intentionally combative but it isn't really a subject to debate. You can feel free to look it up; the left/right wing spectrum doesn't shift. It's the people on it who shift and become new things that they're reluctant to acknowledge.
 

kneeblock

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I'm being intentionally combative but it isn't really a subject to debate. You can feel free to look it up; the left/right wing spectrum doesn't shift. It's the people on it who shift and become new things that they're reluctant to acknowledge.
Yes, but I would disambiguate left/right (in the European sense) from liberal/conservative.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Yes, but I would disambiguate left/right (in the European sense) from liberal/conservative.
They aren't ambiguous, they're plotted on the spectrum. It's the average persons lack of understanding of said spectrum (and how they fit into it) that muddies the waters.
 

Nemo?

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I guess Gandhi and I have similar views...now I need a compound and impressionable women.
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ok that test obviously doesn't work:


Most people lean more left than they realize. The reason they believe they lean right is that society has shifted the window left. A lot of people accused of being fascists today would have been accused of being communists 50 years ago.
 

stielar

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Most people lean more left than they realize. The reason they believe they lean right is that society has shifted the window left. A lot of people accused of being fascists today would have been accused of being communists 50 years ago.
Ok but...

- I'm against islam
- I'm against gay marriage
- I'm against abortions (unless there is some good reason i.e. pregnancy in the result of rape or there is danger to the life of infant/mother should the pregnancy continue)
- I'm against free immigration
- I'm against drugs

Only when it comes to matters of economy I have opinions that could be considered left i.e.

- I believe certain areas should not be private (healthcare, education, prisons, military)
- I do believe the rich should be taxed higher, but not too high
- I believe economy should be more tied to actual productivity / innovation and less to gambling
- I do believe in social welfare, as long as the system is able to identify individuals who try to take advantage of that system

but I don't think these views are enough to garner the graph I got in the end.


P.S. And as I have studied Aristotle I know that democracies can't work especially in today's environment. So...
 

BeardOfKnowledge

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Ok but...

- I'm against islam
- I'm against gay marriage
- I'm against abortions (unless there is some good reason i.e. pregnancy in the result of rape or there is danger to the life of infant/mother should the pregnancy continue)
- I'm against free immigration
- I'm against drugs
So was communist Russia.