General Are guns bad for America?

[IschKabibble]

Indeed you did. I was referring to the loss of power and the inconveniences it causes, not any lack of security.

That's because your neighbors are armed.

 

[b00ts]

The country would be a lot safer if there were no guns in the hands of private citizens.

Not even a conservatard can deny that.

I don’t think actual homicide by a firearm is even close to our top ten leading causes of death. If you take out suicide and self-defense from the number of firearm deaths, it’s fairly low. I, statistically, have a higher chance of going to work and dying in my normal course of tasks than I do of someone randomly shooting me.

Would I feel any safer if all guns disappeared tomorrow? No... though I would be bummed out about not having hobby shooting any longer.

 

[member 3289]

I don’t think actual homicide by a firearm is even close to our top ten leading causes of death. If you take out suicide and self-defense from the number of firearm deaths, it’s fairly low. I, statistically, have a higher chance of going to work and dying in my normal course of tasks than I do of someone randomly shooting me.

In comparison to a third-world country with more corruption and illegal gun ownership, yes.

But homicide rates in countries with a similar level of development and more stringent gun control are much, much lower than they are here.

 

[Tiiimmmaaayyy]

Guns aren’t the problem. Shitty people are the problem. I love guns. I have many of them and I have never used them irresponsibly. If you take away my guns, the criminals will still find ways to get them and the rest of us won’t be able to protect our homes.

 

[IschKabibble]

In comparison to a third-world country with more corruption and illegal gun ownership, yes.

But homicide rates in countries with a similar level of development and more stringent gun control are much, much lower than they are here.

Well I know for sure you've expressed disinterest in traveling to Europe because of the constant attacks there. Do you prefer the security and freedom we have here, or what they have there?

 

[SongExotic2]

 

[SongExotic2]

Watch those

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

I think that the obsession with guns in America is bad.

I think that the ease in which someone that is a criminal or mentally unstable can purchase a gun legally is bad.

I don't think that guns are bad and will always own some and practice with them so that I am able to protect my home.

 

[1031]

You don't think criminals would start reigning terror if they knew citizens didn't have guns?

Like an increase in home invasion, robbery, etc?

By criminals, you mean elected and unelected politicians, yes?

 

[IschKabibble]

I think that the obsession with guns in America is bad.

I disagree entirely. The obsession was always there. And if it weren't, we'd all still be saluting the Union Jack.

 

[b00ts]

In comparison to a third-world country with more corruption and illegal gun ownership, yes.

But homicide rates in countries with a similar level of development and more stringent gun control are much, much lower than they are here.

Well, we have over 300 million firearms in the country. While our homicide rates may be higher, overall crime is higher per capita in the UK. I believe Politifact or something like that tried to compare crime as best they could and the UK slightly edged us out, though it's hard to get a clear picture being that we classify crimes differently. So to your original point, I don't believe the country would be safer. I believe a criminal with intent to harm, rob, etc. will do so no matter the amount of firearms in the country. While your chance of being shot in a robbery goes down, your chance of being stabbed during that robbery will go up.

Just my view of it.

 

[member 3289]

Well, we have over 300 million firearms in the country. While our homicide rates may be higher, overall crime is higher per capita in the UK. I believe Politifact or something like that tried to compare crime as best they could and the UK slightly edged us out, though it's hard to get a clear picture being that we classify crimes differently. So to your original point, I don't believe the country would be safer. I believe a criminal with intent to harm, rob, etc. will do so no matter the amount of firearms in the country. While your chance of being shot in a robbery goes down, your chance of being stabbed during that robbery will go up.

Your chances of being killed are still much higher, more than double even of the closest developed country.

We would be safer because not as many people would die. That was my point.

 

[member 3289]

Well I know for sure you've expressed disinterest in traveling to Europe because of the constant attacks there. Do you prefer the security and freedom we have here, or what they have there?

Straw man but I'll answer it.

I would prefer a much lower homicide rate than what we have, similar to that of a developed country in western Europe. That is not attainable with the current gun control laws we have.

And btw, I expressed disinterest in traveling to major European cities, not to Europe as a whole.

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

I disagree entirely. The obsession was always there. And if it weren't, we'd all still be saluting the Union Jack.

I would argue that your examples are more in line with humans always wanting bigger, faster, better.

The obsession I'm talking about is the one that leads people to open carry even though they don't even shoot regularly. The kind that leads people to own weapons because it's cool without realizing the damage that they can do with it.

I've heard so many asshats speaking about getting a gun in ways that I sound when I'm talking about buying a TV. They're obsessed with having a toy that makes them tough instead of having a tool that can help make them safe.

 

[IschKabibble]

Straw man

I'm just trying to understand why you would trust the state for protection over yourself.

 

[b00ts]

Straw man but I'll answer it.

I would prefer a much lower homicide rate than what we have, similar to that of a developed country in western Europe. That is not attainable with the current gun control laws we have.

And btw, I expressed disinterest in traveling to major European cities, not to Europe as a whole.

Gun control laws won't work. Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. has taught us that. So the only viable way to control firearm related crime is total confiscation. That simply will never happen.

 

[SongExotic2]

I think I should be able to defend my home with nuclear missiles. I'm a responsible nuke owner so why not?

 

[b00ts]

I would argue that your examples are more in line with humans always wanting bigger, faster, better.

The obsession I'm talking about is the one that leads people to open carry even though they don't even shoot regularly. The kind that leads people to own weapons because it's cool without realizing the damage that they can do with it.

I've heard so many asshats speaking about getting a gun in ways that I sound when I'm talking about buying a TV. They're obsessed with having a toy that makes them tough instead of having a tool that can help make them safe.

I probably talk about guns like you do TVs. I'm also a combat vet and have been shooting since I was 6 years old.

 

[Wintermute]

Guns aren't going anywhere. Too much money in these mass shootings. Despite what you may think, gun store owners and manufacturers do their best business after these types of events. They may not pray for them, but they're certainly profitting.

 

[Shinkicker]

Gun control laws won't work. Chicago, Detroit, New Orleans, etc. has taught us that. So the only viable way to control firearm related crime is total confiscation. That simply will never happen.

Do you think our military would Participate in helping to confiscate? Would you?

@Splinty ?

 

[Lukewarm Carl]

I probably talk about guns like you do TVs. I'm also a combat vet and have been shooting since I was 6 years old.

Yes but you're probably giddy about a cool new mechanism or something. I'm sure you at least sound like the nerdy guy freaking out over a new TV and it's specs instead of "ooh it's shiny" (even though I've had that reaction to a few guns I've held)

 

[b00ts]

Yes but you're probably giddy about a cool new mechanism or something. I'm sure you at least sound like the nerdy guy freaking out over a new TV and it's specs instead of "ooh it's shiny" (even though I've had that reaction to a few guns I've held)

I do nerd out from time to time.

 

[SongExotic2]

If America outlawed guns would it turn into a land of Kung Fu like that show on amc?

 

[Deleted member 1]

Do you think our military would Participate in helping to confiscate? Would you?

@Splinty ?

I don't think domestic deployment of big Army for that would be legal. They aren't a law enforcement entity.

And using national guard components or using ATF agents would look like Ruby Ridge. Over and over, galvanizing support amongst the armed.

Definitely a hard decision on what to do.

 

[BeardOfKnowledge]

The country would be a lot safer if there were no guns in the hands of private citizens.

Not even a conservatard can deny that.

The U.K. had to start putting bans on acid sales yesterday. Want to try again?