General Climate change is bullshit?

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kneeblock

kneeblock

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GoSensGo said:
But isn't being funded by the government just as open to corruption as being privately funded? You tell the government there's no problem and the money gets cut off and goes to something else. You tell the government there is a problem and you need more resources to study it further and come up with solutions, and they start throwing money at you. There's much less accountability with government spending it seems.
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No, that's just not the way government research funding works. You get a research grant for a specified, time limited period to work on a very specific problem. You then present your findings to the scientific community at large where they're checked for validity and reliability. With government money your data becomes public so you simply can't just fake or exaggerate claims. Everything you've done is under intense scrutiny. In science, you don't get funded based on just saying there's a problem. There's an incredible amount of rigor associated with demonstrating not only that you've identified something abnormal, but that it is highly unlikely that it could be anything else causing the problem.

Again, you have to disentangle policy decisions (which might decide how much money to allocate in the federal budget fir studying something) from scientific decisions (which are subject to extreme scrutiny from multiple sources and have to be validated very carefully). Policy can make more people study climate change because there's simply more funding to do so, but increased study has nothing to do with the results and whether they pass scientific muster.
 
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Kneeblock said:
No, that's just not the way government research funding works. You get a research grant for a specified, time limited period to work on a very specific problem. You then present your findings to the scientific community at large where they're checked for validity and reliability. With government money your data becomes public so you simply can't just fake or exaggerate claims. Everything you've done is under intense scrutiny. In science, you don't get funded based on just saying there's a problem. There's an incredible amount of rigor associated with demonstrating not only that you've identified something abnormal, but that it is highly unlikely that it could be anything else causing the problem.

Again, you have to disentangle policy decisions (which might decide how much money to allocate in the federal budget fir studying something) from scientific decisions (which are subject to extreme scrutiny from multiple sources and have to be validated very carefully). Policy can make more people study climate change because there's simply more funding to do so, but increased study has nothing to do with the results and whether they pass scientific muster.
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I dunno man, John Oliver exposed a lot of this bullshit masquerading as science. I know he's British, but he does make good points so don't hold that against him too much!

 
jason73

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it is 3c this morning .just 3 months ago it was 26c at this time. what more proof of climate change do you need
 
kneeblock

kneeblock

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GoSensGo said:
I dunno man, John Oliver exposed a lot of this bullshit masquerading as science. I know he's British, but he does make good points so don't hold that against him too much!

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That vid is actually great and should be watched by everyone who sometimes wonders why tf science seems so contradictory and confusing. For one thing, the segment isn't so much about science as the reporting of science to the general public, which is typically a catastrophe. The reporting of scientific findings usually is ludicrous and Oliver points out some good reasons why and how that manifests. There's a great website to help sift through science news and whether it's BS.

SciCheck Archives - FactCheck.org

Like Conor McGregor, the problem isn't scientific rigor. It's its fans.
 
Mix6APlix

Mix6APlix

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I can't stand people that cry about global warming or climate change. As a whole, we haven't even been tracking temperature fluctuations for less than 200 years. On a geologic or environmental time line, that's a blink of an eye. Let's not act like the sky is falling. And even if it is, you're not going to live to see it.
 
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Kneeblock said:
That vid is actually great and should be watched by everyone who sometimes wonders why tf science seems so contradictory and confusing. For one thing, the segment isn't so much about science as the reporting of science to the general public, which is typically a catastrophe. The reporting of scientific findings usually is ludicrous and Oliver points out some good reasons why and how that manifests. There's a great website to help sift through science news and whether it's BS.

SciCheck Archives - FactCheck.org

Like Conor McGregor, the problem isn't scientific rigor. It's its fans.
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True but it is the very nature of science to supersede theories with the emergence of new information or discoveries. If you look at most obsolete scientific theory, it's not that the scientific methods were bad, they were doing the best they could with the information they had... but nonetheless, they were wrong. Hollow earth, rain follows the plow, etc.
 
Masato Toys

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crucial viewing imo to understand this topic better:



Illustrates how the very beginnings of the 'environmentalist' movements, leading all the way up to Global Warming/Climate Change hooplahs to global fucking carbon tax/regulation proposals were all initiated, funded, and promoted by the very same fuckers who control the Big Oil Industries (Rockefellers, Rothschilds, Royals of England and Netherlands)

Powerful and damning information, you will not see the Climate Change issue the same way anymore after viewing
 
Mix6APlix

Mix6APlix

The more you cry, the less I care.
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GoSensGo said:
True but it is the very nature of science to supersede theories with the emergence of new information or discoveries. If you look at most obsolete scientific theory, it's not that the scientific methods were bad, they were doing the best they could with the information they had... but nonetheless, they were wrong. Hollow earth, rain follows the plow, etc.
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How can anything flat be hollow?

Unless it's a broken pop tart?
 
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