General Trump is scum re. the kurds

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megatherium

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And by being allies with them, the US by extension were also 'connected' to the PKK. So what's your point? The US willingly chose to align itself with them knowing who they were.

I also think the premise of that article is horseshit. Nearly every article I've read has mentioned the PKK issue.
The bolded is kinda my point.
 

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so where should it have ended? when was the right time to say "ok, Kurds don't need our help anymore."

I'm against sending troops to any needless wars. The US already has bases in Saudi, beefing up the troop number is to show of force, but nothing has happened in that region. If combat starts and US troops get involved, I condemn that as well.
It should end when there's no ISIS. Which clearly has not been "defeated" her his rhetoric. It should end when there are mechanisms in place to prevent Turkish incursions into Syria and prevention of the ISIS caliphate resurgence. America is "great" at interfering in other peoples' governments and instituting shadow regimes. Why not do that in the region before pulling out?
Even his waterboy took his tongue out of Trump's anus long enough to criticize the move: Trump smacks down Graham after latest Syria broadside

There is no reason to "beef up" the troops in Saudi. None at all. Like you said, nothing has happened in that region. It's a just a case of kissing Saudi taint simply because they asked for it. You can't be pro pullout of troops in one region, and be okay with sending troops to another.
Iran has never attacked or invaded anybody. Iran is just being used a s a convenient bogeyman for Israel & Saudi Arabia. But "if" Iran attacked Israel would you support troops being sent there as well?
 

megatherium

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It should end when there's no ISIS.
The Islamic jihadist factions are now serving in the Turkish invasion. Turkey is using jihadist irregulars, not Turkish troops in this, and of course the Kurds are now with the Syrian army and the Russians. And of course the Americans haven't left the area at all but have fallen back to their key station guarding the oil fields.

Russia, The US. The Ottomans. This one has all of the ingredients to ignite WW3. Hang onto your hats fellas it's going to be a helluva ride ;)
 

tang

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There are ways to ensure this doesn't happen and that we never have to go back.
that's what everyone said throughout the history but it doesn't always happen the way we wanted.

reason to go back always pops up and that's the reason why we can't leave certain places like Afghanistan, when there is no clear end, the entire thing is a waste of time so it doesn't matter when we pull out of places because the results will be the same if we pulled out 5 years ago or 10 years later.
 

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It should end when there's no ISIS. Which clearly has not been "defeated" her his rhetoric. It should end when there are mechanisms in place to prevent Turkish incursions into Syria and prevention of the ISIS caliphate resurgence. America is "great" at interfering in other peoples' governments and instituting shadow regimes. Why not do that in the region before pulling out?
Even his waterboy took his tongue out of Trump's anus long enough to criticize the move: Trump smacks down Graham after latest Syria broadside

There is no reason to "beef up" the troops in Saudi. None at all. Like you said, nothing has happened in that region. It's a just a case of kissing Saudi taint simply because they asked for it. You can't be pro pullout of troops in one region, and be okay with sending troops to another.
Iran has never attacked or invaded anybody. Iran is just being used a s a convenient bogeyman for Israel & Saudi Arabia. But "if" Iran attacked Israel would you support troops being sent there as well?
what you're saying is a happy ending but you and I both know it never happens like that. Let's say ISIS is defeated, the remaining member will join other forces and start another type of group under a different banner. What you're wishing for is just a momentarily success, within year or two, another conflict will happen. If you look at the history, there was something new that happens that US gets involved almost every decade.

plan to pull out of Syria isn't abrupt as you think, Trump mentioned over a year ago, he's giving the Generals chances see what happens but if the end seems not sustainable, it's better to pull out now than never. This is the reason why General Mattis resigned about a year ago, over butting heads with Trump.

I'm not being selective of my support to pull troops out. I don't want troops to be involved in any war unless the US was attacked or to stop noticeably heinous evil act. We have bases in Riyadh, there are US Troops stationed there. Big difference between deployment of troops and being stationed. again, I don't condone it but Saudi is strategically important to the US, because the US wants an upper hand on Iran. Those were the reasons US was building military installations around Iran, (Iraq, Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan...). Beefing up the troops in that region is no different than when N.Korea was testing missles, we beefed up Okinawa to show of force.

I don't want any unnecessary war but Trump is gonna Trump. He pulled out troops in Syria which I supported. I don't even like US supporting Israel but if Iran attacked Israel, US will back up Israel, that's given.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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'He earned his spurs from a doctor': Gen James Mattis mocks Trump
'He earned his spurs from a doctor': Gen James Mattis mocks Trump
“I earned my spurs on the battlefield; Donald Trump earned his spurs in a letter from a doctor,” Mattis said.

In another zap he said: “A year according to White House time is about 9,000 hours of executive time, or 1,800 holes of golf.”

Mattis also compared himself to Meryl Streep in that they both had been denigrated by Trump as “overrated”. The president denounced Mattis as “the most overrated general” when he met members of Congress on Wednesday to discuss his recent controversial decision to pull US troops out of Syria.

“I’m honored to be called that by Donald Trump, because he also called Meryl Streep an overrated actor,” Mattis said on Thursday night. “So I guess I’m the Meryl Streep of generals.”
 
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that's what everyone said throughout the history but it doesn't always happen the way we wanted.

reason to go back always pops up and that's the reason why we can't leave certain places like Afghanistan, when there is no clear end, the entire thing is a waste of time so it doesn't matter when we pull out of places because the results will be the same if we pulled out 5 years ago or 10 years later.
Afghanistan and northern Syria are not even close to the same.

But to answer your question, no. We don't go back even if the agreement is violated. At that point we let them fight and it's not our problem any more because we did our best to make it work.

The issue now is that Trump had decided, apparently on his own and against advice of past cabinet members, to pull out of Syria without an agreement in place and allow the Turks to invade. Then he gives the Turks exactly what they wanted and heralds it as a great deal.

It's not a great deal. It's fucking retarded.
 

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Trump should be nomonated for a nobel peace prize for bringing the tropps home.obama was drone striking civilians and bombing hospitals when he won his
 

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Afghanistan and northern Syria are not even close to the same.

But to answer your question, no. We don't go back even if the agreement is violated. At that point we let them fight and it's not our problem any more because we did our best to make it work.

The issue now is that Trump had decided, apparently on his own and against advice of past cabinet members, to pull out of Syria without an agreement in place and allow the Turks to invade. Then he gives the Turks exactly what they wanted and heralds it as a great deal.

It's not a great deal. It's fucking retarded.
What so different about Afghanistan? Why do you think we’re in Afghanistan??

There is no difference between pulling out now and let them handle their own shit than pulling out later and letting them handle their own shit??

people get mad if we send troops
People also get mad if we pullout troops.

why is it retarded when Trump saved the Kurds from being slaughtered? Isn’t it what you supported? If they negotiated before hand, you think that Turkey wouldn’t have got what they wanted??
 
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Trump should be nomonated for a nobel peace prize for bringing the tropps home.obama was drone striking civilians and bombing hospitals when he won his
500 people have died since Trump pulled the troops out
 
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What so different about Afghanistan? Why do you think we’re in Afghanistan??
Just read up on it. I'm not going to explain it to you.

There is no difference between pulling out now and let them handle their own shit than pulling out later and letting them handle their own shit??
This is a really stupid comment. I like you, but you really need to start thinking things through before pressing the "Post Reply" button

people get mad if we send troops
No one got mad when we sent troops to northern Syria. No one on our side at least.


why is it retarded when Trump saved the Kurds from being slaughtered?
224 SDF members have died in the past week. Leaving our troops there until there was a better deal would've saved them from being slaughtered.