General 14 students, 1 teacher dead following mass school shooting in Texas
- Thread starter mysticmac
- Start date
M
member 1013
Guest
No it doesn't affect the children. They go in through the schoolyard in the morning and have a normal routine. It's just for building visitors and it's a nicely-decorated foyer. There are also still special events where parents come into the auditorium or have conferences. But lots of extra staff around to direct people on those days.
It feels normal and ok, and like they're protecting your kid. It's not contentious and the glass is just like at a bank or something.
They buzz you in if you need to sign your kid out at the main office too. But they check you into the system and give you a badge first.
I've worked in a school where they would just let food delivery people for example roam the building. That kind of thing doesn't really happen here.
This is how our previous, regular elementary school worked. They lock down the school when there is any suspicious activity in the area, as well. It just happened a few weeks back, they had a guy in a standoff with police after threatening someone with a gun, in the neighborhood behind the school. Even though a fence and field separate the school from the neighborhood, they still locked down for over an hour while it was resolved.
The school we went to this year (today is the last day), is small and attached to another building. You wouldn’t know there was a school here unless you looked. They do not have access to the inside without being buzzed in, unless it’s an event for the attached building. There are less than 300 kids, which is why I chose it.
We are going to school next year in a really small town, with less than 1000 kids across all grades. I know they have strong security, as well, though, even in a very low crime area.
M
member 1013
Guest
D
Deleted member 1
Guest
Nope. But most people don't own guns. More than half of households don't even have a gun.
Crime guns are split mostly between being stolen and straw purchases. Either way, enforcement of these crime guns becomes nearly impossible when the standard to own any of these guns is to take a breath after 18-21 years and there is nearly no way to trace these guns outside of the local police agencies. And even then it's just like any other property where you have to have your serial number and report it. Gun get stolen and goes outside of the area, effectively zero chance anybody realizes it's a stolen gun as it gets moved around. Cop pulls over a malcontent with a stolen gun or a gun that they received via straw purchase and they are 21 with no felony... If the cop can't come up with another crime at that moment, have to let them go. Along with the stolen gun. Crime right before you with no ability to enforce it.
Does banning a class of firearms work? All you have to do is look at the lack of automatic weapons to see that it does. But I'm not recommending that. And constitutionally you couldn't do it too far. But even automatic weapons don't become crime guns because they simply cost a lot of money to get your hands on and take a lot of hoops to jump through to purchase involving enhanced background checks and permitting, And they aren't easily transferred into the criminal sector because the person purchasing them has a lot to lose while the item can be traced back to them fairly easily. It's plainly obvious that all of these additional pieces lead to law enforcement having the ability to enforce the law.
I think the same effect can be had by simply putting different weapons behind gates that require increased effort and responsibility to obtain. This disrupts the irresponsible ownership, more easily allows policing, and limits inappropriate transfers.
M
member 1013
Guest
i’m i. meetings so must have misread your post
either way, what you want is an italian shower
I imagine a voluntary turnover.
Many will, but many will see it as as stepping on the 2nd.
How to enforce it?
The questions here are basic: how do we address the mental health issue, and the gun issue?
The one is a breeze compared to the other.
Funding mental health outreach and research is vital. Easy.
Now, the gun thing. Fraught with lawsuits and ethical issues and those who see any control as infringement. Difficult to the point of impossibility.
D
Deleted member 1
Guest
I'm not against people being able to carry their pistol. They just simply owe me permitting and training as a bystander.
I'm against police officers putting a gun on their hip with no training and playing johnny badass. I'm against the rest of us doing it too. But the constitutional and open carry snowflakes want to walk around doing just that.
Historically, carrying a pistol legally meant concealed carry and that meant a class ( which I think should be considerably more in depth than it is) and enhanced background check.
The movements for open carry and constitutional carry disrupt the fact that CHL holders were extremely low risk to be criminals in the future, including participating in gun crimes.
The bare minimum of a CHL class and enhanced background check resulted in a stratifying of owners that were safer than the average population...even when having a gun.
I'm not looking to ban anything. But just like we see CHL permitting result in safer gun owners. The same should be done for all guns outside of the very basic category that would pose the least amount of public risk and law enforcement difficulties.
D
Deleted member 1
Guest
It might happen a small portions where somebody owns a gun handed to them from family or something. But I don't ever imagine that happening at any significant rate. Around 45% of households have a gun and about a third of America owns a gun personally. And those that own them personally, I would say probably 75% care about this issue greater than almost anything else.
Care about it in what sense?
They agree some broad control must be enacted, and embraced by communities nationally?
I do. Or are they the "cold dead hands" type, or a mixture?
D
Deleted member 1
Guest
Care about preventing any infringement that might lead to banning.
People that own guns want to own guns. And they really want to own them.
I own a lot of guns. If the school in my city got shot up tomorrow I would voluntarily give up absolutely zero of them.
I don't think gun ownership in and of itself is the issue. Countries by gun ownership does not correlate to countries by murder rate. When the UK and Australia increased restrictions, nothing changed.
The issue is that your country is fucking insane and you seem proud of it. You don't WANT to become more developed. You're proud of the lack of healthcare, subsidised higher education etc. If you were a rational people, gun ownership would be responsible and you'd be fine.
As someone who doesn't live in the US, I'm grateful. You're our canary in the mine.
The issue is that your country is fucking insane and you seem proud of it. You don't WANT to become more developed. You're proud of the lack of healthcare, subsidised higher education etc. If you were a rational people, gun ownership would be responsible and you'd be fine.
As someone who doesn't live in the US, I'm grateful. You're our canary in the mine.
I can relate.
Most likely I could get a handgun, I get video of people crossing my property every week or so. Most recently, I was in a store and recognized a guy by his distinctive 8 Ball jacket.
Of course, I could get one and probably never fire it at need. Nobody has been killed on my block, just a couple of strong armed robberies at a local store.
The question is usually "Who's going to pay for it?"
As to the 2nd, we payed for it when it was written so specifically
Ha ha good one, you almost got me
LOL @ America not being able to afford what every other country can.
D
Deleted member 1
Guest
We have an increased number of aggravated assaults over other countries with similar GDPs per capita. We are absolutely more violent than our peers at the same socio economic class. But that really hides the truth that our country is a giant dichotomy and not very homogeneous socioeconomically. You and I have talked about this before that mostly the correlation for crime is related to income distribution gaps. I believe that's what most of our problem is. Guns allow us to convert aggravated assaults into murders.
You can see our dichotomy all the way through The types of gun deaths.
White America gun deaths are largely suicide completion. Black deaths are largely homicide completion. Women's gun deaths are largely domestic situations and not their gang activity.
But with all of that said, I disagree with your assessment of brushing off that are guns are not part of the problem. When I took the time to look into high gun ownership countries like some of the Scandinavian countries, I found that they have significant amount of permitting that occurs. If their gun goes missing it's easy to trace. If I go to one of these countries and steal a gun and a police officer finds me with that gun, they can easily identify that I I'm in possession of a crime gun. These countries all have better background checking processes than we do. They use a graded system of permitting where it might be easy to get your hands on a shotgun for hunting but pistols will take quite a bit more effort and potentially even interviewing with background checks. It ignores the ramifications of unfettered gun access to simply look at ownership. We have significantly more guns than all of those countries or any country really. And nearly all of our guns are untraceable and unpermitted ownership. This is a very different situation than looking at other countries that have the correlation you're discussing.
At the end of the day, even in the United States, most gun owners are not criminals and will never be. But by its nature, murder is not very common but is devastating. And with a small percentage of our population being armed in a way that is nearly unenforceable until after the murder It doesn't take much to have a significant increase in such a devastating crime.
I didn't say we couldn't afford it.Ha ha good one, you almost got me
In every debate, people will agree that something must be done, and wonder who's going to pay for it.
For the record
No poster here is going to solve the problem because others have social media feeds full of memes they can use to shit on my country.
That's called being a cunt.
No poster here is going to solve the problem because others have social media feeds full of memes they can use to shit on my country.
That's called being a cunt.
There needs to be stronger punishment for gun involved crimes. In California we love to release violent criminals then act shocked when the commit another crime.
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
The study, published in July 2018 by the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, found that 67 percent of the gun group was rearrested, compared to 41 percent of the non-gun group — remarkably similar results as the Commission’s.
“Being initially firearm-involved was such a strong … predictive factor of re-arrest that other variables, such as being male, Black, and younger at the initial arrest, added little explanatory power for the different rates of recidivism between the two groups,” researchers Christine Devitt Westley and Bobae Kang wrote.
Gun offenders more likely to commit crime again, says study
Dennis Wallace Haggerty is not supposed to have guns.His felony convictions — assault with a firearm and shooting at an unoccupied dwelling — terminated that constitutional right.Yet wh…
www.sandiegouniontribune.com
The study, published in July 2018 by the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, found that 67 percent of the gun group was rearrested, compared to 41 percent of the non-gun group — remarkably similar results as the Commission’s.
“Being initially firearm-involved was such a strong … predictive factor of re-arrest that other variables, such as being male, Black, and younger at the initial arrest, added little explanatory power for the different rates of recidivism between the two groups,” researchers Christine Devitt Westley and Bobae Kang wrote.
Last edited:
I can get behind larger penalties.There needs to be stronger punishment for gun involved crimes. I’m California we love to release violent criminals then act shocked when the commit another crime.
Gun offenders more likely to commit crime again, says study
Dennis Wallace Haggerty is not supposed to have guns.His felony convictions — assault with a firearm and shooting at an unoccupied dwelling — terminated that constitutional right.Yet wh…
The study, published in July 2018 by the Illinois Criminal Justice Information Authority, found that 67 percent of the gun group was rearrested, compared to 41 percent of the non-gun group — remarkably similar results as the Commission’s.
“Being initially firearm-involved was such a strong … predictive factor of re-arrest that other variables, such as being male, Black, and younger at the initial arrest, added little explanatory power for the different rates of recidivism between the two groups,” researchers Christine Devitt Westley and Bobae Kang wrote.
Of course that's terrible because US prisons
There’s no easy solution for the prison system but if you commit a crime and use a gun to harm or intimidate. I really don’t care if you see the sun ever again.
I would be well pleased if we can take every drug user whose multiple offenses put them behind bars and replace them with violent offenders.