4x4 Reasons to love and hate Bisping/Hendo 2

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BJJMMA

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We all know I am possibly the biggest Hendo fan in this community. As such I am excited about the upcoming Hendo/Bisping 2 title fight. I also understand those with reservations. Today I want to look at 4 reasons this is a match you should love as well as 4 reasons I should hate it.

4. It's Between Two MMA Staples
Dan Henderson and Michael Bisping have been around for what seems like forever. Anytime two long time staples fight there are large fan bases involved. This alone will make watching the fight fun as those around you at the bar/party will likely be divided. Just in general anytime long time successful fighters face off, at any age, you should appreciate it.

3. It's Not As Bad of a Fight As You Think
Going into the Rockhold fight nobody was giving Bisping a chance. Many people felt he had lost to Anderson Silva. He wasn't considered a real contender he was viewed as behind Weidman, Jacare, Vitor, and Yoel if not more by many. Had the fight been made then most would've thought it a great matchup. Bisping gets a chance to avenge and Hendo gets a chance to relive his best moment. They matchup well against each other stylistically. It's really not a bad fight. Also if you go by ScoreCardMMA ranking Hendo is top 10. Current Top 30 Rankings for each UFC Weight Category - ScoreCardMMA | The MMA Community Forum

2. There isn't a clear cut number one contender
Of course Hendo isn't either but despite the "talent" in this division no one has risen as a clear #1. Rockhold and Weidman both are coming off title losses. Title losses in which neither looked fantastic. In my opinion these two need to fight each other again before getting a crack at gold. Jacare is the name that gets love. He is coming off a Vitor win and a Yoel loss. He also is coming off a knee injury that kept him from fighting Rockhold when Weidman went down. While Jacare certainly has done a lot to deserve a title shot, if Yoel wasn't suspended Jacare isn't even being discussed. After this it get sloppy. Many are coming off recent fights or have fights scheduled. The only one really that sticks out is Whittaker and is it really any more his time than Hendo's?
I guess my point is that there is a lot more parody in this division than folks care to admit. Given that if Hendo does win and retires how about a MW Tourney?

1. They've Earned It.
We are talking about two of the most accomplished MWs on the roster. Are the flawed? Yes. Are their better fighters? Yes. But now is their time. Neither are in their prime. Hendo's prime got up and left a long time ago but both have done enough to justify this moment. Bisping is the UFC's winningest fighter (w/ GSP). Hendo has been a champion everywhere and has been one of the most dominating and exciting fighters his entire career. They both have sacrificed enough to earn the right to fight each other. Hendo earns it based of his legendary career. Bisping has earned the right to avenge a loss because he has done so much for the UFC he ought to get to call a shot.

Now 4 reasons against mind you this is hard for me because I am 100% for Hendo getting a title shot.

4. Hendo is old
Old. He is old. He isn't what he used to be. This could be a massacre. This could put a damper on what some consider his best moment. I can only assume they didn't watch either Hendo/Rua fight nor Hendo/Renzo. Hendo is old and his skills have diminished. We shouldn't want to see him fight anymore much less for a belt.

3. It hurts the division and UFC rankings and belts.
Giving a champ the ability to call out a past his prime opponent who hasn't looked great recently hurts the organization and the belts. Belts already take enough heat we shouldn't discredit them anymore than needed by allowing champs to over look higher quality opponents for lesser opponents. This is what has destroyed boxing.

2. Bisping is a paper champ and needs to fight someone better
I have heard a lot of people discredit Bisping as champ since he backdoored into his title to begin with. Many feel he should've lost the Silva fight. As such Bisping should fight Weidman/Rockhold/Jacare just to go out there and lose and give us a real champions.
*I obviously couldn't even pretend to agree with this point. Even though I don't like Bisping. That said I hear it often.

1. There are Better Fighters
Jacare/Weidman/Rockhold are all far better fighters than Hendo at this point in their respecetive careers. They all are the top of the MW division and despite their flaws their talent is undenied and they deserve the shot over the aging Hendo who will be looking for the KO.


Obviously I had time on my hands today (traveling). I am for the fight. I still think Hendo has enough magic left in him to make this fight interesting and fun. And at the end of the day nothing in MMA would make me more happy than seeing Hendo add UFC gold to the collection.
 
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Tiiimmmaaayyy

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I would love to see Hendo get the belt. That would be the perfect ending to a legendary career. Unfortunately, it seems very unlikely to me. Of course Hollywood Henderson can end it with one Bomb, but I'm sure Bisping will stay on his bike and out point him to a decision.
 

Pitbull9

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Jesus people are absolutely insane to write Hendo off in this fight. Hendo has that bomb and it will connect at some point.
 

PrideNeverDie

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I agree. I am just trying to point out some of the counters I have heard.
your listening to idiots then ;)

who you picking ? i think Bisping may get a late stoppage , Dan's chin just isnt what it used to be

EDIT never mind seen the post ^
 

Pitbull9

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I actually expect that to happen
Me too and it will happen close to the same way it did the first time. This is Bisping we are talking about here, not Vitor or someone who hits like a truck. Mike might have taken out a cocky Luke but that is what it was a cocky reckless fighter who didn't respect his opponent.
 

PrideNeverDie

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Me too and it will happen close to the same way it did the first time. This is Bisping we are talking about here, not Vitor or someone who hits like a truck. Mike might have taken out a cocky Luke but that is what it was a cocky reckless fighter who didn't respect his opponent.
what about the Silva win ?
 

Robbie Hart

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This goes to five round, boring decision.
Bisping will be gifted the decision. There is no way bisping will engage with Henderson.........
 
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This fight is like Roadhouse. Meh. I could take it or leave it. Maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised, but i don't have high expectations.
 

Pitbull9

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why , did he not beat Silva ? fair enough an aging Silva but Hendo is no spring chicken



yeah :) , that could have easily been stopped but Bisping came back and put up one hell of a fight
I re watched that fight and I still think Mike won but Silva was so hesitant to fight. Dan is never that way. He will finish Mike.
 

BJJMMA

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agreed except for the paper champ thing.

he earned that belt.
I agree. I am just stating some of the reasons I've seen or heard. Paper champ is pretty common. I don't agree with it just wanted to throw it out there for everyone to discuss.
 

Jdog93

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why , did he not beat Silva ? fair enough an aging Silva but Hendo is no spring chicken



yeah :) , that could have easily been stopped but Bisping came back and put up one hell of a fight
Does this look like the face of a winner?..
 

PrideNeverDie

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I agree Hendo was a great champion, Bisping on the other hand is a paper champ.
What is the definition of paper champion ? Because the way I see it Bisping took the belt from the champion who himself took it from the champion and so on .......so he is the champion
 
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Leigh

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Jesus people are absolutely insane to write Hendo off in this fight. Hendo has that bomb and it will connect at some point.
We can hope but I think Bisping will win. He has better cardio and hits harder than people give him credit for, mainly due to being on his bike and punching off the back foot against a lot of guys. When he plants his feet, he has power.

But another H bomb would be amazing
 

Robbie Hart

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What is the definition of paper champion ? Because the way I see it Bisping too the belt from the champion who himself too it from the champion and so on .......so he is the champion
I once called Cormier a "champion on paper" because he didn't beat Jones.
Never call any mma fighters a "paper champion" because they beat someone very good to get their belt and will have to fight someone until someone like Jones returns.
A "paper champion" might be used in boxing as there are so many championship belts and boxers are known for avoiding fights if a proposed fight is a serious risk and they might lose.
As much as I don't like him, bisping beat the champ and will take whatever fight the UFC gives him which is the fight that will be the most interesting from a promotional side of things and make them the most money.