Bartitsu: THE MIXED MARTIAL ARTS OF VICTORIAN LONDON

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MelE5150 said:
I've never seen an arm lock like above. I don't watch a lot of pure jits matches but it's my second interest other than watching mma. Is this used in modern day jits sebastien haff @de braco?
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Yeah lots of judokas and catch wrestlers use it, trap the arm in legs and execute the shoulder lock. I've got a guy in my gym that uses this a lot.... Solid technique
 
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usually you would keep the hands locked with the headlock to pull the head away. Raku has his arm moved out of the way to show the position of the legs in relation to the shoulder lock.


1925. Amateur Wrestling by E.C Gallagher, Coach Oklahoma A&M. Another very good book. His team was a powerhouse.
 
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Yeah lots of judokas and catch wrestlers use it, trap the arm in legs and execute the shoulder lock. I've got a guy in my gym that uses this a lot.... Solid technique
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Fascinating how it's all intertwined but some purists don't like to acknowledge it at all.
 
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Fascinating how it's all intertwined but some purists don't like to acknowledge it at all.
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Purists get mad and don't acknowledge it because they didn't have the foresight to execute the move, or they've been beaten by it and deem it "not real blah blah blah"....... Those who are more open minded put out DVD's of moves like this.

16 years of Gracie Jiu Jitsu/Sub Grappling and a 2.5+ years of Judo and Sambo exclusively have showed me that it's all intertwined. I know the Gracie's self defense system as well as I know spider guard, X guard, butterfly guard, and MMA grappling. I practice Sambo leg lock lace setups, MMA grappling techniques, and throws/trips/takedowns daily...... Only arrogant people exclude training in all areas and call it garbage, but usually it's because they're afraid to admit that there are things they don't know and need to learn.

As you can tell I've thought about this a lot LOL, now off to train
 
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1905-3-21 Wairarapa Daily Times(NZ). Higashi was traditional JJ guy, He claimed jiudo after it became all the rage as the "new jiu jitsu"


1905 New York World. Jiudo begins trying to distance itself from Higashi and other "traditional" JJ sources.



1904-11-1 Recreation. Yabe was a Tenshin shinyo ryu nut.


1905-10-1 Black Cat. Don't be fooled by the "new" jiu jitsu nonsense. Study the "real" thing. HMMM. I've heard that somewhere before.


1906-2-8 Truth. OH SNAP!
 
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3-5-1905 New York Tribune







1905-1-14 Topeka State Journal


1905-1-29 NY Tribune. Higashi advertised his academy as the "modern jiu jitsu", meaning jiudo, but was actually a tenshin shinyo ryu nut or some such. Note his weight in the above article, about the average sized Japanese of the time. It was their technique that relied on strength that Helio refined.



1905-2-21. NY Evening World. The infamous West Point matches. Tomita losing to Bull Tipton and Count Coma winning his match.



1905-4-4









1905-4-11 Minneapolis Journal



1905-9-23 NY World



1900-3-4 San Francisco Call





3-27-1905 New York World



10-14-1905 New York Sun





9-19-1905 Hendersonville Semi Weekly Messenger

The infamous Ashville NC, Chas Olsen- Professor Ono NHB match. Ono was 4th dan, kodokan,



9-22-1905



9-22-1909 Richmond Times Dispatch



9-26-1909 Hendersonville Semi Weekly Messenger



9-20-1905 Richmond Times Dispatch
 
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1904-7-24 Boston Globe



1905-1-19 Colorado Springs Gazette


1905-3-16 Massillon-Independent


1915-3-28 Indianapolis Star
 
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1903-12-4 London Daily Mirror


1904-11-25 London Daily Express


1904-12-26 London Daily Mirror


1905-2-20


1905-2-23
 
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1905-4-4 London Daily Mirror


1905-6-29


1905-11-24 London Daily Express. Tani has had about enough of Higashis nonsense.


1908-1-10 London Daily Mirror


1909-4-13
 
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Hard to read on my phone but "JJ successfully taught by mail" had me giggling. Poor Gracie Online. If folks only had access to this thread and De Braco lolol
 
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It was a true no holds barred match and Ono had 40 pounds on Olsen. Olsen killed at least two opponents.

1-31-1911 Bryan Daily Eagle



El Paso Herald



2-1-1911 El Paso Herald



2-1-1911 Salt Lake Tribune



2-9-1911 The Leon Reporter

 
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1918-7-8 Washington Times


1919-3-13 Boise Evening Capitol News. No pins, sub only.


1922-7-30 South bend Times. Flapper flops cad.


1923-5-29 London Daily Mirror



1931-11-18 London Daily Express. Love the old Players card sets.
 
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1904-7-24 NY Times.
Not exactly directly related to jiu jitsu, very interesting look into the Japanese population of New York at the turn of the 20th century though.



1911-12-29 The Player. Trade publication of the white rats actors union


1913-3-31 NY Times. Josefsson was the foremost exponent of Glima


1933-12-30 London Daily Mirror


1937-10-30 London Daily Mirror
 
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1904-12-29 Quincy Daily Journal. Our old friend Higashi and the notorious gendarme Ajax Whitman



1905-3-14. Higashi was the "prominent" jiu jitsu guy



1905-4-10. Bothner hands Higashi his first loss. Higashi was good while no one was sure exactly what he was doing. The competition soon became much stiffer and his traditional jj wasn't up to it.


1905-10-17 . Little lady shows Mr happy hands what it's like. The whole thing sounds like a kayfabe publicity stunt for Higashis Academy since the arresting officer was "Ajax" Whitman, one of his students, and the attacker a prize fighter.



1905-10-17 Quincy Daily Whig
 
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1905-3-19. Tenshin Shinyo Ryu nut Higashi challenges John Piening




1905-4-1 Milford Times. Higashis loss to Swanson



1905-5-26 Clare Sentinel



1905-6-22 Taney County Republican. Branson,Mo. Vegas filtered thru the mind of Ned Flanders


1906-8-1 Quincy Daily Herald. Barnstorming jiu jitsu baseball team.
 
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So. I'm attempting a turn of the century romance inspired by this thread. I've never been able to break the 200 page romance marker so I'll probably fail but my hero is Roarke De Braco lol. Keep posting pleeeease.
 
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de braco said:
1904-7-24 NY Times.
Not exactly directly related to jiu jitsu, very interesting look into the Japanese population of New York at the turn of the 20th century though.



1911-12-29 The Player. Trade publication of the white rats actors union


1913-3-31 NY Times. Josefsson was the foremost exponent of Glima


1933-12-30 London Daily Mirror


1937-10-30 London Daily Mirror
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He didn't let the money go LMAO
 
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