Damn that's crazy. We got people with mental illness clogging up our emergency rooms.
General Bernie Sanders: Why We Need Medicare for All
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Some interesting points.
What societal issues do you face in America that we dont face in Canada which reduces your overall life expectancy, that is not related to health care?
We have mentally ill people also clogging up for emergency rooms but it isnt to seek help for their mental health disabilities.. It often stems from the mental health struggles though.
Yet drug companies post billions of dollars in profits yearly.
Something is wrong with that situation.
that'd be replacing what's worked with what sounds good. when socialized medicine starts churning out the new life saving medications on a routine basis, I'll start listening
That's a little bit of a loaded question. Obviously Every health problem is related to health care. But the preponderance of our mortality and morbidity is in the usual areas you might expect...
Obesity, smoking, hypertension, drug use, homicide.
Averages hide the above.
While white males have much more access to helath care, black females outlive them.
Of course 100% coverage for basic healthcare would address the 10% of Americans dying of these items uninsured. It's not clear that being insured or not changes all of this of course. But it would surely increase life for that group.
For the remainder that could go to the doctor regular...they don't. And they live lifestyles in which Healthcare is counseling and attempting to save them in spite of their bad lifestyles.
Large public education campaigns and public policies that address the causes of obesity , instead of addressing the healthcare problems that come from it, would be more effective.
How exactly do you come by those dollar values? If I lived stateside my employer would pay for my health insurance and my taxes would be a fraction of what they are here. The service would also be almost infinitely better, but that's a different discussion.
Obesity, smoking, drug use and hypertension could all be more adequately addressed by someone with access and the ability to make a health plan with a physician, I would assume?
Females in general live longer than males.
I think in the Canadian health care system, we do attempt to focus on public education campaigns, public policies and early intervention as we are able to do so due to the healthcare system being public.
Doctor associations and the such regularly speak out against the negative consequences of smoking, poor diet, drug use and so on. We have publicly funded non-profit family health associations which focus almost exclusively on these issues.
Are these things even possible under a privatized system? If so, who would foot the bill?
I didn't see it mentioned how they come by those numbers. If you're just taking the number of people and dividing it by how much money was spent they number will be hilariously inaccurate.
Selective quoting. I already addressed enough caveats for this.
Whites live longer than blacks... Apples and oranges.
Point remains. Coverage is but one piece and those with coverage are dying at abnormally high rates.
Coverage would address approximately 10% of our early deaths by the books on my shelf (that's as close as I can get to sourcing for you right now). The other 90% is us... We are fatter, smoke more, and kill each other more than Canadians.
So do we.
You're making a strong case for public education and campaigns like taxing cigarettes or sodas that gas nothing to do with private vs universal paying.
Who funds those public education campaigns? How does that work under a private system?
I am not sure how the World Economic Forum, World Health Org. or the Peter Peterson Foundation came up with those specific numbers.
Through the remainder of the tax base in the general discretionary funds. All our usual doctor orgs do the same as you describe. Weirdly, private insurance too. Quitting smoking saves/makes them money.
Even things like our homicide rate goes down the rabbit hole. Gun ownership is hugely high in southern white America, but urban black males are suffering the highest homicide rate. So even that health related issue has a hidden dichotomy in the average alone.
As a reminder I support us moving to a Medicare for all system. I just think outcomes and expectations have to be tempered when looking at that country vs country stats.
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@Kneeblock will appreciate my forced nod to needing all these other social programs to address many gaps.