Yeah, but it's not really good or bad that one doesn't know what a feminist is. It would be bad, though, we can agree I'm sure, to hate the people who really do fall under that term without even knowing what one is.
FEMINIST - 1st name that comes to mind
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Yes knowledge is power. I agree with you that thinking that you are better than someone because of what you know versus what they know is pompous and pretty ignorant itself.
I have large quantities of knowledge about how to wage war against a populace for example, and to some ignorant people that would place me at a level above someone who has vast amounts of knowledge in macrame. I think of it as just different tools in a tool belt. Some people have a pipe wrench, some people have a hammer, but if we all want to fix something broken we have to work together to do it as a society.
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Again, i agree with this. You should never hate what you don't understand. It should inspire curiosity and learning, not "kill it with fire".
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Men that support femnazi's typically are sad sad individuals doing it for the brownie points.... Case in point Emmery
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I've been sitting here patiently waiting for you to make an appearance in this thread.
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This is why you're awesome.
There's a gulf of difference between the idea that women are actual people, with all the rights, hopes and failures and personal responsibility that humanity carries, and the modern notion of feminism, which has completely highjacked common sense. Feminism, true feminism, to me is basic equal rights. It doesn't need to be intellectualised more than that. Millennial feminism is rooted in the new power structure which prizes victimhood. People will fight you to be considered victims, or victimised. There is currency in it. True feminism comes out of resisting victimisation and the new feminism seizes it.
Every white knight is a stalker. They're the most uncomfortable with self-respecting, assertive women, because they get weird with those that don't need nor want defending. When they defend you anyway, they expect to be compensated with adoration. You can tell when a guy legitimately likes and is comfortable with women because he simply treats them with decency and respect.
Every white knight is a stalker. They're the most uncomfortable with self-respecting, assertive women, because they get weird with those that don't need nor want defending. When they defend you anyway, they expect to be compensated with adoration. You can tell when a guy legitimately likes and is comfortable with women because he simply treats them with decency and respect.
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@FeeO I've never been the type of guy to automatically rush to a woman's defense. To me that seems like you're assuming she can't take care of herself. Now if i'm asked for help by anyone, male or female that's different. We all need help from time to time. You articulated that way better than i ever could have.
Totally agree. Online mobs attacking people over trigger warnings and correct terminology -- which always changes, btw-- is so exclusive that it becomes classist, even. Meanwhile it's getting harder and harder to get access to safe, affordable reproductive healthcare, which is the most crucial feminist issue of them all. But spoiled kids don't need to worry about that, so they make up bullshit to get mad about. Real people have real shit to worry about and don't invent offense when there is none intended.
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Yeah, it's totally cool to defend people when true ugliness is going down, and you seem someone who is deeply bothered by cruelty. I am too. But you're not gonna decide for a woman what she should be offended by, as though she's some helpless Victorian damsel. Barf. I've never seen you do that.
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Well...the part about "It doesn't need to be intellectualised more than that" absolutely is wrong. You can't repair damage that continues to create inequality (simple inequality, like you
@FeeO describe in the first part of your first, longer post) without a body of evidence, because the problem is material, real, and it exists.
I think you want to be fair (liike, in your post, but also as a person, based on your post), but you're denying victimhood as real when it is in fact real. That's why more formal, more intellectualised "work" is needed. You are not convinced of an obvious truism.
I mentioned Lisa Duggan earlier, which made me curious to see what she's up to these days. She's still a condescending weirdo who thinks everybody around her is an idiot (she talks to her audience like they're toddlers, with the most fucked up tone lol), but she is doing pretty fukin obviously valid & useful work. This video's kind of handy as it illustrates the value of historicizing "how things got to be what they are" when it comes to trying to do something about "what they are," regardless of whether you agree with her basic project.
Most people have no awareness that their belief systems are basically products of political conflicts -- "constructions" with an agenda, which is usually maintenance of existing social/political relations, and protecting them, since that is what existing power relations do whether one wants them to or not. That's the value of formalized "intellectual" (which really just means "applied, not lazy") work. It's easy to just claim you are for equality, but you're against the work being done that is necessary to actually promote equality, well, you'd be FOS in that case. But, then, most people are FOS, most of the time.
Trying to link it at 25:00 because it's pretty dull up to that point:
@FeeO describe in the first part of your first, longer post) without a body of evidence, because the problem is material, real, and it exists.I think you want to be fair (liike, in your post, but also as a person, based on your post), but you're denying victimhood as real when it is in fact real. That's why more formal, more intellectualised "work" is needed. You are not convinced of an obvious truism.
I mentioned Lisa Duggan earlier, which made me curious to see what she's up to these days. She's still a condescending weirdo who thinks everybody around her is an idiot (she talks to her audience like they're toddlers, with the most fucked up tone lol), but she is doing pretty fukin obviously valid & useful work. This video's kind of handy as it illustrates the value of historicizing "how things got to be what they are" when it comes to trying to do something about "what they are," regardless of whether you agree with her basic project.
Most people have no awareness that their belief systems are basically products of political conflicts -- "constructions" with an agenda, which is usually maintenance of existing social/political relations, and protecting them, since that is what existing power relations do whether one wants them to or not. That's the value of formalized "intellectual" (which really just means "applied, not lazy") work. It's easy to just claim you are for equality, but you're against the work being done that is necessary to actually promote equality, well, you'd be FOS in that case. But, then, most people are FOS, most of the time.
Trying to link it at 25:00 because it's pretty dull up to that point:
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FOS?Well...the part about "It doesn't need to be intellectualised more than that" absolutely is wrong. You can't repair damage that continues to create inequality (simple inequality, like you
I think you want to be fair (liike, in your post, but also as a person, based on your post), but you're denying victimhood as real when it is in fact real. That's why more formal, more intellectualised "work" is needed. You are not convinced of an obvious truism.
I mentioned Lisa Duggan earlier, which made me curious to see what she's up to these days. She's still a condescending weirdo who thinks everybody around her is an idiot (she talks to her audience like they're toddlers, with the most fucked up tone lol), but she is doing pretty fukin obviously valid & useful work. This video's kind of handy as it illustrates the value of historicizing "how things got to be what they are" when it comes to trying to do something about "what they are," regardless of whether you agree with her basic project.
Most people have no awareness that their belief systems are basically products of political conflicts -- "constructions" with an agenda, which is usually maintenance of existing social/political relations, and protecting them, since that is what existing power relations do whether one wants them to or not. That's the value of formalized "intellectual" (which really just means "applied, not lazy") work. It's easy to just claim you are for equality, but you're against the work being done that is necessary to actually promote equality, well, you'd be FOS in that case. But, then, most people are FOS, most of the time.
Trying to link it at 25:00 because it's pretty dull up to that point:
Fuckable On Site?
Financial Ombudsman Service?
Fields Of Science?
This shit right here! You're fucking awesome.
So,Well...the part about "It doesn't need to be intellectualised more than that" absolutely is wrong. You can't repair damage that continues to create inequality (simple inequality, like you
I think you want to be fair (liike, in your post, but also as a person, based on your post), but you're denying victimhood as real when it is in fact real. That's why more formal, more intellectualised "work" is needed. You are not convinced of an obvious truism.
I mentioned Lisa Duggan earlier, which made me curious to see what she's up to these days. She's still a condescending weirdo who thinks everybody around her is an idiot (she talks to her audience like they're toddlers, with the most fucked up tone lol), but she is doing pretty fukin obviously valid & useful work. This video's kind of handy as it illustrates the value of historicizing "how things got to be what they are" when it comes to trying to do something about "what they are," regardless of whether you agree with her basic project.
Most people have no awareness that their belief systems are basically products of political conflicts -- "constructions" with an agenda, which is usually maintenance of existing social/political relations, and protecting them, since that is what existing power relations do whether one wants them to or not. That's the value of formalized "intellectual" (which really just means "applied, not lazy") work. It's easy to just claim you are for equality, but you're against the work being done that is necessary to actually promote equality, well, you'd be FOS in that case. But, then, most people are FOS, most of the time.
Trying to link it at 25:00 because it's pretty dull up to that point:
@FeeO is a victim is what you're saying?Hey
@FeeO, did you know you're a victim?
Reminds me of someone else in this thread.
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Fuck that. Tinkerbell might just cut a bitch.
Yea I always enjoy people inferring or flat out telling someone they are a victim.Fuck that. Tinkerbell might just cut a bitch.