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Qat

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The words "fuck off with that shit" seem like someone upset, but I admit tone is lacking on online communication so whatever man, if you say you're not upset then so be it.
Yeah it wasn't meant harsher than the tone you used. :)

Where did I judge your opinions? Sorry dude but you seem upset and defensive, it's typical of someone who is having their world view challenged.
You telling me I may have to re-evaluate my opinions kinda requires for you to know my opinions well in the first place. Agreed?

Its just always the same here it seems, be it guns, Trump, Merkel or whatever, people assume I belong into this or that corner.., and even if I correct them, it has little effect. And I assume it is a similar situation here.

Its obvious - now - you meant it in a broader sense, but still I do think you have some faulty believes over at least some of my opinions, which is why I asked what you meant specifically.
 

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Then lets agree to disagree.

At least use another thread for it, I don't go to a burial to mock the people mourning, if that is your style, have at it.

Actually it did hit home somewhat because the bomb yesterday was an attack at an open air festival, and I did go to an open air festival as well yesterday, which I even posted several times here.
So when I opened this site this morning and saw the mentioned-notices, my first thought was that people ask if I am okay, but instead I see people mocking me in a thread like this.
So yeah, I was taken aback a bit.

There is no need to answer either, we won't see eye to eye on this.
I'm not taking it personal, it just changes/reinforces my opinion about some people, and makes me reconsider if my involvement in political threads makes sense for me, that's all.
Just long story short: I don't think anyone was after you as a personal attack or use this tragedy in your country to get at you. Your input and presence here is valued, including by me. People give you shit on here, that means they have an e-crush on you lol.
 
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You telling me I may have to re-evaluate my opinions kinda requires for you to know my opinions well in the first place. Agreed?
Not in any way shape or form. When I wrote "maybe" I meant it in the literal sense, I don't know what your opinions are on those topics but I can infer that you being on the defensive in the wake of these tragedies that either your stance on the aforementioned issues was more sympathetic and supportive than the people you were debating/discussing OR they completely misunderstood your opinions/stance. Let me be clear, when I wrote "I'm being an asshole here..." I meant it entirely.
Its just always the same here it seems, be it guns, Trump, Merkel or whatever, people assume I belong into this or that corner.., and even if I correct them, it has little effect. And I assume it is a similar situation here.
I feel ya man, it's tough when you think neither side is correct and there's not a nice little group to fit in. That said, Merkel sucks, guns are and never were the problem- education and culture are and Trump is bad, Hillary is worse and somehow Sanders will still end up being the Democratic nominee. Now, when I'm wrong about shit, you can bust my balls :leftright:
 

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Not in any way shape or form. When I wrote "maybe" I meant it in the literal sense, I don't know what your opinions are on those topics but I can infer that you being on the defensive in the wake of these tragedies that either your stance on the aforementioned issues was more sympathetic and supportive than the people you were debating/discussing OR they completely misunderstood your opinions/stance. Let me be clear, when I wrote "I'm being an asshole here..." I meant it entirely.
Well I am certainly not in the 'all Muslims are bad'-team, that's for sure, so I do debate against that crowd. Apart from that, if it were up to me, I'd be a harsh mofo, that's for sure.
If I'd be admin here, the 'funny' people that cause disruption would start to love Leigh @Leigh for his mildness. ;)

I feel ya man, it's tough when you think neither side is correct and there's not a nice little group to fit in.
Yeah, but, its not just that. If I say I reconsider my involvement, that is very much about me as well. If people take me wrong that is not just on them, but on me as well.
As I'm sure I already wrote, I like to take the role of contrarian at times, and I certainly like to go against the flow of the predominant stances. Though its not clearly devil's advocate I guess, and while I never assume a position I don't support, I do challenge, and people might just connect some dots and put me there, you know I'm saying? I'm not blaming them really. It is what it is.

Merkel sucks
In a lot of things, but not all things. Sadly we don't have any big person who could really make a positive impact I believe. Merkel has an iron grip of her party, and the main rivals, the SPD, are lead by a fat blabbermouth. (think Chris Christie-type)
Next year is election tho.

guns are and never were the problem- education and culture are
I think they are part of the culture. So, also part of the problem. ;) (but I say it for a third time for good measure, I don't want to ban guns)

Trump is bad, Hillary is worse
Yes.

Sanders will still end up being the Democratic nominee
Seems like the best possible scenario to me as of right now.
 

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Yeah it wasn't meant harsher than the tone you used. :)


You telling me I may have to re-evaluate my opinions kinda requires for you to know my opinions well in the first place. Agreed?

Its just always the same here it seems, be it guns, Trump, Merkel or whatever, people assume I belong into this or that corner.., and even if I correct them, it has little effect. And I assume it is a similar situation here.

Its obvious - now - you meant it in a broader sense, but still I do think you have some faulty believes over at least some of my opinions, which is why I asked what you meant specifically.
Based on the posts you agree with, your responses to different topics, what topics you defend we can form ideas on what you are in favor of and what you are opposed to. If you don't clearly state your positions for all to see or someone hasn't read all of your posts they won't know.

You don't agree with refused refugees living there. What about refugees period?

I really would like to see people across the world take their countries back whether it be from corrupt politicians, refugees and immigrants or dictators.
 

Qat

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Based on the posts you agree with, your responses to different topics, what topics you defend we can form ideas on what you are in favor of and what you are opposed to. If you don't clearly state your positions for all to see or someone hasn't read all of your posts they won't know.

You don't agree with refused refugees living there. What about refugees period?

I really would like to see people across the world take their countries back whether it be from corrupt politicians, refugees and immigrants or dictators.
So I have thought about not answering since I wanted to keep out of this stuff for a bit. I mean, the idiocy is just too strong here. Two French dudes kill a priest and some people here immediately grab their dicks, stroke, and shout: "I knew refugees were evil! I was right, I was right!". That's just too small-minded and nefarious for me, and imo is another reason the world becomes a worse place.

But since I was asked nicely here I will answer you.

First of all, I am not opposed to helping those poor people, but balance is important.
We have taken too many in imho, for our city alone, I felt like about 20.000 - 30.000 is okay, but now we are at about 55.000 already. For the last couple weeks/months it really has become considerably less tho. Now its like 20 a day or so, which is less than before the crisis started (and just a small portion stay).

So I feel like we ideally should have shut the door at some point, and concentrated on integrating the ones already here more. But that is only possible if other countries help more, which is a problem, as you know. Solidarity is key.. If everybody would help equally, it would be a far simpler problem to solve. That most of the world rather stands idly by is pretty shitty I think.
But what are you gonna do, just let the others die and suffer because no-one else wants to help? Its a difficult problem morally.

Now, what most probably won't know and forget in about 2 seconds, these refugees are not here for lifetime, most are only temporary. Some good ones and qualified ones we'll gladly keep though.
Still, of course nobody was prepared for such a thing, and that leads to a lot of problems on both sides. Of course we knew that there would be problems. How they are handled so far, is not always perfect though. And there will be more problems to come, that is normal.
People like you and me already get stressed out when we have to wait an hour in a freaking government agency, right? Imagine if you are traumatized, with your future beyond uncertain, and have to wait weeks to meet a stressed out worker you can't even communicate with well.
Still they should be very thankful that we are helping, and show it as well.

We should be more stringent and vigilant on imposing our values and making it clear from the get-go. But you need like social workers working with everyone.. and its just not that easy getting enough qualified people so fast to fill those roles, and enough programs and stuff like that, it takes some time.

And if somebody is committing a crime, then out with that person immediately, no discussion, if you are refused asylum, then out as well, that should be natural, if there is clear evidence you have connections to other terrorists, out.
But as I said, nobody was really prepared for it, and laws are being changed and thought about as we speak.
Even though, by the Geneva convention, it is not OK to deport someone to a region of crisis.., so we will see if they have the balls to do it.

The refugees I got to know are people who been through shit and just want to live their lifes..

Still, as I said, its already enough to handle, and others have to step up as well. And or course its hard to keep track for our police as well. So its good that currently there aren't many new ones, we need that breathing room.

Interestingly maybe: France has only taken about 10% the amount of refugees we have.
Another fact: dead people from refugee terror attacks in Germany: 1, the refugee himself.

(and yes I know that some asshole will use that fact when a next attack happens and be like: "Ha, I knew it, so what now, dude? Tell me I was right, that is the most important thing!" - of course in some different words, but just fuck off with that lowlife-ego shit)

Generally, when it comes to terrorism, I do believe that refugees are not a big problem per se, and the potential of some of them being radicalised here is not that high, albeit of course not zero. People who already are terrorists and claim to be refugees, yeah, that's possible. But I do think it is actually more risky for them to go that route, instead of just doing normal terror shit.
It mainly makes sense for em to conjure up hate of refugees in general.
I am much more worried about the fucked up people that went 'on vacation' to join the IS or something, and came back. And we got some of those fuckers here as well...

The cultural differences just have to be taught to them, and the refugees have to adapt to the point that they obey the law and respect our culture, as simple as that. If you don't want to, then fuck off.
 

Left Hook Larry

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So I have thought about not answering since I wanted to keep out of this stuff for a bit. I mean, the idiocy is just too strong here. Two French dudes kill a priest and some people here immediately grab their dicks, stroke, and shout: "I knew refugees were evil! I was right, I was right!". That's just too small-minded and nefarious for me, and imo is another reason the world becomes a worse place.

But since I was asked nicely here I will answer you.

First of all, I am not opposed to helping those poor people, but balance is important.
We have taken too many in imho, for our city alone, I felt like about 20.000 - 30.000 is okay, but now we are at about 55.000 already. For the last couple weeks/months it really has become considerably less tho. Now its like 20 a day or so, which is less than before the crisis started (and just a small portion stay).

So I feel like we ideally should have shut the door at some point, and concentrated on integrating the ones already here more. But that is only possible if other countries help more, which is a problem, as you know. Solidarity is key.. If everybody would help equally, it would be a far simpler problem to solve. That most of the world rather stands idly by is pretty shitty I think.
But what are you gonna do, just let the others die and suffer because no-one else wants to help? Its a difficult problem morally.

Now, what most probably won't know and forget in about 2 seconds, these refugees are not here for lifetime, most are only temporary. Some good ones and qualified ones we'll gladly keep though.
Still, of course nobody was prepared for such a thing, and that leads to a lot of problems on both sides. Of course we knew that there would be problems. How they are handled so far, is not always perfect though. And there will be more problems to come, that is normal.
People like you and me already get stressed out when we have to wait an hour in a freaking government agency, right? Imagine if you are traumatized, with your future beyond uncertain, and have to wait weeks to meet a stressed out worker you can't even communicate with well.
Still they should be very thankful that we are helping, and show it as well.

We should be more stringent and vigilant on imposing our values and making it clear from the get-go. But you need like social workers working with everyone.. and its just not that easy getting enough qualified people so fast to fill those roles, and enough programs and stuff like that, it takes some time.

And if somebody is committing a crime, then out with that person immediately, no discussion, if you are refused asylum, then out as well, that should be natural, if there is clear evidence you have connections to other terrorists, out.
But as I said, nobody was really prepared for it, and laws are being changed and thought about as we speak.
Even though, by the Geneva convention, it is not OK to deport someone to a region of crisis.., so we will see if they have the balls to do it.

The refugees I got to know are people who been through shit and just want to live their lifes..

Still, as I said, its already enough to handle, and others have to step up as well. And or course its hard to keep track for our police as well. So its good that currently there aren't many new ones, we need that breathing room.

Interestingly maybe: France has only taken about 10% the amount of refugees we have.
Another fact: dead people from refugee terror attacks in Germany: 1, the refugee himself.

(and yes I know that some asshole will use that fact when a next attack happens and be like: "Ha, I knew it, so what now, dude? Tell me I was right, that is the most important thing!" - of course in some different words, but just fuck off with that lowlife-ego shit)

Generally, when it comes to terrorism, I do believe that refugees are not a big problem per se, and the potential of some of them being radicalised here is not that high, albeit of course not zero. People who already are terrorists and claim to be refugees, yeah, that's possible. But I do think it is actually more risky for them to go that route, instead of just doing normal terror shit.
It mainly makes sense for em to conjure up hate of refugees in general.
I am much more worried about the fucked up people that went 'on vacation' to join the IS or something, and came back. And we got some of those fuckers here as well...

The cultural differences just have to be taught to them, and the refugees have to adapt to the point that they obey the law and respect our culture, as simple as that. If you don't want to, then fuck off.
When i saw that notification alert you quoted me:


I knew the blitzkrieg was coming.




Two French dudes kill a priest and some people here immediately grab their dicks, stroke, and shout: "I knew refugees were evil! I was right, I was right!". That's just too small-minded and nefarious for me, and imo is another reason the world becomes a worse place.


That is just one of many incidents. It's just fuel added to the fire. After a few incidents you think "ok, maybe there's a pattern here.". After a dozen incidents worldwide you really can start to form some patterns.


So I feel like we ideally should have shut the door at some point, and concentrated on integrating the ones already here more. But that is only possible if other countries help more, which is a problem, as you know. Solidarity is key.. If everybody would help equally, it would be a far simpler problem to solve. That most of the world rather stands idly by is pretty shitty I think.
But what are you gonna do, just let the others die and suffer because no-one else wants to help? Its a difficult problem morally.


I agree other countries are not helping. My plan would be to strong arm nearby nations that speak the same language to take them in. If they don't want to they get some sanctions or other punishments. They will likely bend the knee. After all of these attacks linked to these nations many refugees come from you have to think of yourself, your friends and family, and your country first. It's not practical for Germany to solve all of the world's problems and as an outsider who has never been to Germany I feel you guys have opened a can of worms that you won't be able to close. Of course I have no first hand knowledge of what Germany is like today as you do so that opinion does not hold a lot of weight.


Still they should be very thankful that we are helping, and show it as well.


You're damn right they should be. They are on your terms, your laws not theirs. If they want to bitch and complain put them back on the plane back to where they came from. If I visit a foreign country i'm going to do my best to follow their laws, traditions and to not offend the locals out of respect. I don't see this as a common theme among immigrants and refugees from countries with a high risk of terrorism.

Now, what most probably won't know and forget in about 2 seconds, these refugees are not here for lifetime, most are only temporary. Some good ones and qualified ones we'll gladly keep though.

That is just as bad if not worse. All of those people in transit become hard to track. The people who want to build a future for their family in Germany are likely to appreciate your country a lot more than someone there temporarily. If they don't like Germany that compounds the issue even further.

We should be more stringent and vigilant on imposing our values and making it clear from the get-go. But you need like social workers working with everyone.. and its just not that easy getting enough qualified people so fast to fill those roles, and enough programs and stuff like that, it takes some time.

Or just be strong, tough and tolerate no bullshit. The people who are thankful to be granted such a great opportunity and are trying there best can be left to build their new life. The criminal rapists, murderers, petty thieves all need to go. 1 strike and you're out policy for anything violent.

And if somebody is committing a crime, then out with that person immediately, no discussion, if you are refused asylum, then out as well, that should be natural, if there is clear evidence you have connections to other terrorists, out.
But as I said, nobody was really prepared for it, and laws are being changed and thought about as we speak.

Exactly. In the words of Trump "Get em out of here. OUT! OUT! OUT!". If you see a problem with taking in too many refugees and immigrants you stop that flow immediately until a sufficient solution is developed. At no point should you take in refugees if it is harming your countrymen and women.

Another fact: dead people from refugee terror attacks in Germany: 1, the refugee himself.
Yes. The failed aslyum seeker bombing would be important to add. Deaths don't have to occur for it to really disturb the local people. Also the cases of rape/sexual abuse are something to keep an eye on.

Generally, when it comes to terrorism, I do believe that refugees are not a big problem per se, and the potential of some of them being radicalised here is not that high, albeit of course not zero. People who already are terrorists and claim to be refugees, yeah, that's possible. But I do think it is actually more risky for them to go that route, instead of just doing normal terror shit.
It mainly makes sense for em to conjure up hate of refugees in general.
I am much more worried about the fucked up people that went 'on vacation' to join the IS or something, and came back. And we got some of those fuckers here as well...

That's why better security and knowing who is really coming into your country is important. If there isn't enough evidence proving they are someone who won't cause harm they aren't let in. If the policies aren't good enough, stop more refugees from coming in. The burden of proof should be on them to provide. Of course a citizen of Germany coming back to their country should be afforded more rights.




If I could sum it all up into one sentence it would be this. Germany and the German people come first in all issues and we will not compromise their security or way of life regardless of the refugee situation.
 

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the DBA has infiltrated every conceivable segment of global society. they are a slippery sort ... this Douche Bag Alliance
 

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DBA (Douche Bag Alliance) has just claimed responsibility according to AP and Die Scheisse news sources