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Rambo John J

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She was guilty of gross negligence, what was lacking (according to Comey) was criminal intent.

Regardless, it makes her unfit to hold high office.
Prez is just an actor anyways...has been since reagan...a mouthpiece with no morals
 

KWingJitsu

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Yeah. Blame all the hate for her on the fact that she's a woman.

Ignore her lack of character.
Her lies.
Her scandals.

I think a woman would do fine as President and it will happen some day. But not this woman. No fucking way.
That had nothing to do with what I said...
She was guilty of gross negligence, what was lacking (according to Comey) was criminal intent.

Regardless, it makes her unfit to hold high office.
She still wasn't guilty. Language matters.
If lack of criminal intent means no prosecution, then no prosecution means she wasn't guilty.
Being 'unfit for office' is a matter of opinion. Our current President fits that description in my opinion. But I recognize it is my (and many others') opinion.
 

Filthy

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That had nothing to do with what I said...
She still wasn't guilty. Language matters.
If lack of criminal intent means no prosecution, then no prosecution means she wasn't guilty.
Being 'unfit for office' is a matter of opinion. Our current President fits that description in my opinion. But I recognize it is my (and many others') opinion.
of course language matters. What she was guilty of was not, in the opinion of the FBI Director, not an offense that could be prosecuted in the courts.

It's also hard to prove intent when you give everyone around the guilty party immunity from prosecution. But that's just my opinion.

It's also my opinion, and the opinion of lots of other people with fancy law degrees, that she could be prosecuted without explicit evidence of intent. It's also a commonly held opinion that the opinion of the FBI Director has no place in this discussion, and his airing of it was without precedent.
 

Filthy

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in short, Hillary was Guilty of transmitting classified evidence across an unsecured resource.

demonstrating an inability to guard the secrets of the nation is a disqualifying trait. IMO
 
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in short, Hillary was Guilty of transmitting classified evidence across an unsecured resource.

demonstrating an inability to guard the secrets of the nation is a disqualifying trait. IMO
Which court of law found her guilty of this?
 

Filthy

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guilt·y
ˈɡiltē/
adjective
  1. culpable of or responsible for a specified wrongdoing.
    "the police will soon discover who the guilty party is"
    synonyms: culpable, to blame, at fault, in the wrong, blameworthy, responsible; More
    • justly chargeable with a particular fault or error.
      "she was guilty of a serious error of judgment"

@Readily Formed Voltron
 

KWingJitsu

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demonstrating an inability to guard the secrets of the nation is a disqualifying trait. IMO
So is tweeting out classified national secrets......
 
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Filthy

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just because something is true, doesn't mean it's relevant.
based on the 'WTF' ratings from KWingJitsu @KWingJitsu and @Readily Formed Voltron, I'm going to have to explain this...

1) The POTUS decides what is classified. It is legally impossible for the POTUS to reveal classified information, because by definition if the POTUS reveals information that information is not classified. So the POTUS can never be 'guilty', in the legal or ethical sense, of revealing classified information.

2) Even if that was not the case, you can't legitimize Hillary's behavior by pointing out same or worse behavior from another person. That is a "tu quoque" logical fallacy.
 

KWingJitsu

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based on the 'WTF' ratings from KWingJitsu @KWingJitsu and @Readily Formed Voltron, I'm going to have to explain this...

1) The POTUS decides what is classified. It is legally impossible for the POTUS to reveal classified information, because by definition if the POTUS reveals information that information is not classified. So the POTUS can never be 'guilty', in the legal or ethical sense, of revealing classified information.

2) Even if that was not the case, you can't legitimize Hillary's behavior by pointing out same or worse behavior from another person. That is a "tu quoque" logical fallacy.
1) Translation: "POTUS cannot commit a crime.":rolleyes:

2) "you can't legitimize Hillary Trump's behavior by pointing out same or worse behavior from another person. That is a "tu quoque" logical fallacy."
You can't make that quote and be self-aware of the double standard of making that quote.....;)
 

Hauler

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1) Translation: "POTUS cannot commit a crime.":rolleyes:

2) "you can't legitimize Hillary Trump's behavior by pointing out same or worse behavior from another person. That is a "tu quoque" logical fallacy."
You can't make that quote and be self-aware of the double standard of making that quote.....;)
Was Hillary the president when she did It?

Legally speaking, there's a difference.
 

KWingJitsu

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Was Hillary the president when she did It?

Legally speaking, there's a difference.
No there isn't because his first premise is a fallacy. Of course the POTUS can commit a crime.
 

Filthy

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1) Translation: "POTUS cannot commit a crime.":rolleyes:

2) "you can't legitimize Hillary Trump's behavior by pointing out same or worse behavior from another person. That is a "tu quoque" logical fallacy."
You can't make that quote and be self-aware of the double standard of making that quote.....;)
1) Technically, the POTUS can pardon himself of any crime of which he is accused. A reasonable and unbiased person might say that pardoning Joe Arpaio was Trump setting a precedent for issuing a pardon before sentencing. And according to the prevailing consensus of Constitutional scholars, the President may be removed from office, but he cannot be indicted. The President can commit a crime, and he would be guilty of committing the crime, but he would be exempt from being convicted of the crime. Words have meaning - you can be guilty without being convicted. See also: Hillary Clinton email.

2) I have never legitimized or even defended Trump's behavior. And if I did, I would NEVER try to use the virtue of Hillary Clinton as my basis. That's like nailing your coffin shut from the inside.