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sparkuri

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Do you believe in globalism, socialism, new world order, one-world government, communism, etc.?

Is the idea that people will "advance" and unite and abolish wars etc.?

What form of government or world would you like to see?
 
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Is that the Federation symbol for Star Trek?
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Yes. First thing that came to mind kinda, I don't even know the details of that though. :) I know they don't have money and no need for such an artificial belief-system, enabled by technology of course.
 
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Yes. First thing that came to mind kinda, I don't even know the details of that though. :) I know they don't have money and no need for such an artificial belief-system, enabled by technology of course.
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So, correct if I'm wrong, but the thought is that continually learning more, as a species, carries an inherent nobility?
 
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A set of governance that doesn't ignore the existence and persistence of corruption.

And yes of course the wealthiest of the wealthy and those that control the flow of wealth can and do everything to keep us as uninformed as to how they run shit as possible and yes of course they run shit to keep themselves perched atop the structures they control. I thought that was obvious by now.
 
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So, correct if I'm wrong, but the thought is that continually learning more, as a species, carries an inherent nobility?
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I wouldn't say nobility perhaps. But we are adaptable and competitive explorers, I think. If we channel that competitive nature to positive achievements, we should be good to go. Way easier said than done though.
 
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I wouldn't say nobility perhaps. But we are adaptable and competitive explorers, I think. If we channel that competitive nature to positive achievements, we should be good to go. Way easier said than done though.
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Is the thought that a government mirrored like the federation in Star Trek is preferable?
I'm not too familiar with Star Trek's governing policies.
 
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sparkuri said:
Do you believe in globalism, socialism, new world order, one-world government, communism, etc.?

Is the idea that people will "advance" and unite and abolish wars etc.?

What form of government or world would you like to see?
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What do you mean by globalism?

Socialism is the ideal we should strive for, but probably won't be achievable until certain technological achievements are made. Until then democratic socialism is the best option for maximum human well-being.

NWO? The wrestling dudes from WCW?

One world government is probably an eventuality, but not until we improve the quality of life for everyone to a high enough standard. If we can survive as a species until we are colonizing stars and if we run into other intelligent life then it will probably form organically out of necessity.

Communism is probably only achievable in a post-scarcity world.
 
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Is the thought that a government mirrored like the federation in Star Trek is preferable?
I'm not too familiar with Star Trek's governing policies.
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It seems like a favorable society. Would you disagree?
 
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What do you mean by globalism?

Socialism is the ideal we should strive for, but probably won't be achievable until certain technological achievements are made. Until then democratic socialism is the best option for maximum human well-being.

NWO? The wrestling dudes from WCW?

One world government is probably an eventuality, but not until certain we improve the quality of life for everyone to a high enough standard. If we can survive as a species until we are colonizing stars and if we run into other intelligent life then it will probably form organically out of necessity.

Communism is probably only achievable in a post-scarcity world.
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What scientific advancements need to be made and implemented for the vision of socialism you carry, and what would it look like from a practical standpoint?
Similar to what Q @Qat is alluring to in Star Trek?
 
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What scientific advancements need to be made and implemented for the vision of socialism you carry, and what would it look like from a practical standpoint?
Similar to what Q @Qat is alluring to in Star Trek?
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Star Trek is essentially communism in a post-scarcity society. Everyone's needs are met by technology.

To make socialism politically viable we need technological advancements for cheap clean energy and significant automation. Once people can't work because there aren't enough jobs and governments are forced to introduce some version of UBI, then people will be more willing to entertain the idea that workers should collectively own the business' they choose to create, and that it should be run democratically. Cheap energy will help facilitate both UBI and the upsurge in creative start ups.

Or things might go tits up before then. Depends on if we can moderate climate change. I swing between pessimistic and mildly optimistic on that depending on the day, mostly pessimistic lately, though.
 
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If we can avoid fucking up the globe that is where it will inevitably lead. The need for human work will be minuscule, that is something even the yesterday's can't change, ironically in no small parts due to their own advertised system.

In the end it will provide us with the freedom to do whatever. With or without money, I think there are and will be enough systems to offer motivation and gratification.
Just need to look out for the usual dangers, like religious batshits and some such.
 
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If we can avoid fucking up the globe that is where it will inevitably lead. The need for human work will be minuscule, that is something even the yesterday's can't change, ironically in no small parts due to their own advertised system.

In the end it will provide us with the freedom to do whatever. With or without money, I think there are and will be enough systems to offer motivation and gratification.
Just need to look out for the usual dangers, like religious batshits and some such.
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What kind of freedoms do you want that religious people are a danger to you?
 
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Well, the freedom for loved ones to have an abortion, for one.
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we've got a lot of pro-life religious people here in the states & you can do things here that you can't do in secular Europe. There's several countries in Europe where it gets tough to have an abortion after the 12th week of pregnancy, here in the states you can find places that'll partially induce the birth of a viable baby & chop it's head off. legally.
 
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What kind of freedoms do you want that religious people are a danger to you?
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Potentially every religion can be turned bad and create problems.

If you think about a world where the greed-factor and the 'gods' money or status by possession is severely diminished or even gone, people might look to other things for their own sense of self, or sense of life. A whole lot of people. And you still gonna have those that are able and willing to seduce the masses for whatever cause.
We are going to have to change with the times. We will see how that works.

As for what freedoms specifically, nothing special. Good values.
Keep in mind that my stance is that the world would already be better without any religion, and that religious freedom is only the next best thing.
And while I definitely acknowledge the interrelatedness of our core values in society and some religious values, I do not believe that Christianity for example is part of the core. Rather that it developed side by side and with each other. I'm not saying it was despite either, but I believe that mainly common sense is the driving force.
 
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we've got a lot of pro-life religious people here in the states & you can do things here that you can't do in secular Europe. There's several countries in Europe where it gets tough to have an abortion after the 12th week of pregnancy, here in the states you can find places that'll partially induce the birth of a viable baby & chop it's head off. legally.
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