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sparkuri

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Well, the freedom for loved ones to have an abortion, for one.
This is the one issue that boggles my mind, mixing the word love in the same sentence as murder.
I wonder where this perception of a greater good comes from.

Typically(not entirely), left leaning ideology seems to be asserting a position of fairness, or well intentions to others.
Whether it's taking care of our environment or legislating welfare.
On the other hand, it's funding extermination of humans and what I view as aggressively intolerant of religion, which is most sacred to that being.

I see religion being viewed as halting "progression", while religious fundamentalism teaches that progression is holding all life sacred.
Thou shalt not kill.

This notion that science somehow will reveal new levels of understanding or utopia between mankind while dictating life and death is anything but evolving.
Abortion in my view is no different than the holocaust.
And those who advocate it and expect to be judged differently than nazi's following orders for a perceived greater good 100 years from now absolutely perplexes me.
Just as much as conservatives not conserving or Senators who teach the golden rule to their children while destabilizing countries globally through superior firepower.

Every other issue in my view is workable, but if you've chosen to partake in civilization and don't hold the most fragile life sacred, that's the foundation from which your morals come, obviously.
One which dictates who's important.
And while one might say "they shouldn't procreate", or "eradicate them from the gene pool", as if a gene pool is held sacred....for what greater good?
Whose greater good?

It sounds like many, who advocate welfare for others, wouldn't have even picked them to live in the first place.
Then fight with the living regarding enablement of the same individuals.
In these cases, it's the opposite of "evolution", or enlightenment.
Selfishness to put it mildly.
 
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Mix6APlix

The more you cry, the less I care.
Oct 20, 2015
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I'm a Gozer worshipper. I hope that when the destructor arrives, I can chose his form. It will be a dragon that obeys my will, and since Gozer and I have the same ideology, it will be awesome as I watch New York get turned to ash.
 

Zeph

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Jan 22, 2015
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This is the one issue that boggles my mind, mixing the word love in the same sentence as murder.
I wonder where this perception of a greater good comes from.

Typically(not entirely), left leaning ideology seems to be asserting a position of fairness, or well intentions to others.
Whether it's taking care of our environment or legislating welfare.
On the other hand, it's funding extermination of humans and what I view as aggressively intolerant of religion, which is most sacred to that being.

I see religion being viewed as halting "progression", while religious fundamentalism teaches that progression is holding all life sacred.
Thou shalt not kill.

This notion that science somehow will reveal new levels of understanding or utopia between mankind while dictating life and death is anything but evolving.
Abortion in my view is no different than the holocaust.
And those who advocate it and expect to be judged differently than nazi's following orders for a perceived greater good 100 years from now absolutely perplexes me.
Just as much as conservatives not conserving or Senators who teach the golden rule to their children while destabilizing countries globally through superior firepower.

Every other issue in my view is workable, but if you've chosen to partake in civilization and don't hold the most fragile life sacred, that's the foundation from which your morals come, obviously.
One which dictates who's important.
And while one might say "they shouldn't procreate", or "eradicate them from the gene pool", as if a gene pool is held sacred....for what greater good?
Whose greater good?

It sounds like many, who advocate welfare for others, wouldn't have even picked them to live in the first place.
Then fight with the living regarding enablement of the same individuals.
In these cases, it's the opposite of "evolution", or enlightenment.
It's evil.
We hold very different views on when life starts, and who gets to decide what with their own bodies.
 

Shinkicker

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Jan 30, 2016
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Potentially every religion can be turned bad and create problems.

If you think about a world where the greed-factor and the 'gods' money or status by possession is severely diminished or even gone, people might look to other things for their own sense of self, or sense of life. A whole lot of people. And you still gonna have those that are able and willing to seduce the masses for whatever cause.
We are going to have to change with the times. We will see how that works.

As for what freedoms specifically, nothing special. Good values.
Keep in mind that my stance is that the world would already be better without any religion, and that religious freedom is only the next best thing.
And while I definitely acknowledge the interrelatedness of our core values in society and some religious values, I do not believe that Christianity for example is part of the core. Rather that it developed side by side and with each other. I'm not saying it was despite either, but I believe that mainly common sense is the driving force.
Well cultism will always be a trait of humans,imo. When compared to other cults, religion isn't that bad. I hope it stays around.
 

Truck Party

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They don't have to chop their head off, silly. It comes off when they are sucking it out with that super Hoover.
that's true too, still hasn't stopped it though. planned parenthood seems to find value in fully intact fetal heads
 
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I was looking up spina bifida one and clicked images. There pictures of semi developed fetuses in the results

It made me sad

Little red aliens
 

Qat

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greatest athlete of all time & I'm willing to fight anybody that says different
My ava boasts the best athlete of all time. So suck it!
(and yeah, I don't even know who your guy is either, so suck it twice!)
 

Leigh

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Jan 26, 2015
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No. I believe in freedom and socialism typically erodes that. But so does the right.
 
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This is the one issue that boggles my mind, mixing the word love in the same sentence as murder.
Abortion is murder in your mind, but certainly not in everyone's mind.

Abortion in my view is no different than the holocaust.

And those who advocate it and expect to be judged differently than nazi's following orders for a perceived greater good 100 years from now absolutely perplexes me.
Like it or not, it is legal and has been legal in the US since 1976. So it's a little different than the Holocaust in that regard.

I am not going to force a woman to make a decision that could greatly affect her life in so many ways. It is her body and she has the freedom to make that decision imo.

I also don't consider a fetus a life. A potential life, yes, but not a life. Not yet.
 

maurice

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Oct 21, 2015
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The Star Trek ideal is that technology can eliminate scarcity and working to meet your basic needs. Fictional replicator tech and energy sources allow anybody to do whatever they want. Medicine is so advanced that they can bring the recently deceased back to life. Overpopulation isn't an issue, because you can live on a star ship or move to a colony in another star system. There's nothing to fight about, except real estate.

I think we're a LONG way from colonies in other star systems, but we've made great progress towards eliminating scarcity despite structural unemployment. If we can replace carbon-based energy sources, then we'll be right on track to a guaranteed minimum income society with little violence. No need to fight wars for oil when nobody uses the stuff. No need to join ISIS when your family is alive and well. Just stay home and play video games or something.
 

Freeloading Rusty

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Jan 11, 2016
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here in the states you can find places that'll partially induce the birth of a viable baby & chop it's head off. legally.
Abortion in my view is no different than the holocaust.
Damn, you kids don't play around.

What state chops babies heads off?

How is abortion on the same levels as the holocaust?

Why is life so valuable until leaves its mothers body and then all of a sudden no one cares if it is sick, starves or dies of unnatural causes?